[Stoney]

Originally Posted by JRL

What am I missing here.........fire Fulmer .......ludicrous imho.

Look at the following comparison... Fulmer vs Saban

Fulmer's records starting in 93 10 - 2, 8 - 4, 11 - 1, 10 - 2, 11 - 2, 13 - 0, 9 - 3, 8 - 4, 11 - 2, 8 - 5, 10 - 3, 10 - 3, 5 - 6, 9 - 4, 10 - 4. .766 winning percentage.

Saban's record (college only) 9 - 2, 6 - 5, 6 - 5, 7 - 5, 6 6, 9 -2, 8 - 4, 10 - 3, 8 - 5, 13 - 1, 9 - 3, 7 - 6. .669 winning percentage.

What you are missing is the fact that Tennesse has a much better recrutiing base than most schools that means better athletes. So why aren't they beating the absolute living daylights out of teams like UCLA? For crying out loud BYU beat the same team the next week 59-0. Fulmer has grown lazy and is resting on his reputation. At least Saban prepared his team for the opener and slaughtered Clemson. Anytime you have 6 months to prepare for a team you better beat them. Fulmer was on mental vacation expecting the superiority of his atheletes to destroy the competition. He didn't do a good job of instructing them or teaching them what they needed to know about the opposing team. Bottom line he is a miserable head coach. If Mark Richt was the coach at Tennesee do you think would have opened with a loss to an inferior opponent?

[Stoney]

The SEC coaching fraternity has not been this strong since the 1960s and '70s, when Bear Bryant ruled but Johnny Vaught, Vince Dooley, Shug Jordan, Charlie McClendon, Doug Dickey and Bill Battle made him work for the throne. Those coaches won a lot of games, but they also worked in an era when most of them were afforded a virtual lifetime contract.

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Tennessee's Phillip Fulmer is the dean of SEC coaches. He begins his 16th full season with the Vols.



Bryant coached 25 years at Alabama, Vaught 24 at Ole Miss, Dooley 25 at Georgia, Jordan 26 at Auburn, McClendon 18 at LSU, and the Dickey/Battle tandem spanned 13 years at Tennessee. Fulmer is the current dean of the SEC, entering his 16th full season in charge. The average tenure for the rest of the coaches at their current schools is less than four years. "You're not going to be there [in the championship game] all the time," Croom said. "The guys like Phillip and Steve that perform that well year in and year out, I don't know how they do it."

Doing it repeatedly over time is the hardest part. Especially when the competition keeps getting stronger. So losing means job loss for the coaches Alabama has been a turnstyle for coaches in the recent past. Now it seems as if Saban is the heir apparent to the "Bear". After the total domination of Clemson in the opener he has sent a clear warning to the other Alabama opponents. Fulmer may be dethroned this year if he doesn't turn up the wick. Tennesee fans want a championship. Tennesee's weak performance against UCLA doesn't bode well for the upcoming season. This year is tougher without the services of David Cutcliffe who moved on to become DUKE's head coach so Fulmer needs to pick up the slack. The days of a lifetime contract are over. The SEC is tough and demanding and chews up coaches who lose. Phillip Fulmer can no longer afford to rest on his tenure anymore.

[JRL]

Stoney Fulmer has averaged about 10 wins a year - Saban 8

[Stoney]

Originally Posted by JRL

Stoney Fulmer has averaged about 10 wins a year - Saban 8

Fulmer should be winning more than 10 games a year considering he has been there 16 years. Alabama is back on the way up 3-0 and looking stronger every game. Tennesee isn't going to put up with the Fulmer way of doing things when they constantly see other SEC teams winning it all. It is a what have you done for me lately league. When was the last time you saw 5 SEC schools in the top 10? If Tennesee had of beaten the crap out of UCLA it would have been 6 out of 10. But Fulmer failed and failure has its own consequences. If Mark Richt had lost to South Carolina would you have felt different about him? After all he has better atheletes. That was a loss even though they won. Fulmer just flat out loses. You have got to put 13-0 on the board to be recogonized as the best. Second place doesn't get squat.

[JRL]

Originally Posted by Stoney

Fulmer should be winning more than 10 games a year considering he has been there 16 years. Alabama is back on the way up 3-0 and looking stronger every game. Tennesee isn't going to put up with the Fulmer way of doing things when they constantly see other SEC teams winning it all. It is a what have you done for me lately league. When was the last time you saw 5 SEC schools in the top 10? If Tennesee had of beaten the crap out of UCLA it would have been 6 out of 10. But Fulmer failed and failure has its own consequences. If Mark Richt had lost to South Carolina would you have felt different about him? After all he has better atheletes. That was a loss even though they won. Fulmer just flat out loses. You have got to put 13-0 on the board to be recogonized as the best. Second place doesn't get squat.

I suppose Saban will win more than 10 a year every year at Alabama

You are truly delusional if you believe that. Saban has never done it and never will.

You will never see an SEC coach win 10 or more games a year for life - good grief.

Perhaps you need to brush up on your math. If Saban wins 8 games this year (possible - not likely) he will need to win every game through 2015 to break into your dream world. Yeah that's the ticket - Alabama will win their next 93 games. We might as well cancel the season for the next 10 years or so..........

[Stoney]

No you missed the point..... if you have SIX Whole Months to prepare and you don't who's fault is that? Come on Phillip Fulmer needs to go plain and simple. As a Alabama fan I hope he stays the next seven years. However, as a football fan I want to see the best teams play and Tennesee is nowhere close to what they should be.

[JRL]

Originally Posted by Stoney

No you missed the point..... if you have SIX Whole Months to prepare and you don't who's fault is that? Come on Phillip Fulmer needs to go plain and simple. As a Alabama fan I hope he stays the next seven years. However, as a football fan I want to see the best teams play and Tennesee is nowhere close to what they should be.

Missed the point - you are kidding right? In big bold letters you stated

Originally Posted by Stoney
Fulmer should be winning more than 10 games a year considering he has been there 16 years.

Isn't Fulmer 5 - 3 against Bama this decade?

[Stoney]

JRL let me slow this down... o k a y

Each team has 1,2,3,4,5,6 months to prepare for the season opener. It isn't like they don't know who they are going to play. Each team can scout thier opponent out. Fulmer didn't do that last year or this year. He lost both games to non-conference opponents. There is no way you can make me believe that UCLA is better than Tennesee athletically speaking. So the blame falls squarely on the coaches shoulders. Fulmer did not prepare and has a history of not preparing. He knows Tennesee isn't going to fire him after he donated a million bucks to them last year.
It is one thing to be slower or outmatched size wise or physically inferior or injured. Tennesee was none of these things yet lost to someone they should have crushed. What exactly was Phillip Fulmer doing all Summer? He sure wasn't working on the fundamentals and physical toughness of his team. 16 years ago he would have been passionate and motivated now he rests on his "reputation" if he had of won last season's opener he might well have been playing for a national title. This year he may be lucky to even get to a bowl game.

[JRL]

No need to slow down for me - I'm way ahead. You made a ridiculous statement and now you are using subterfuge to escape.

Using your logic Bama should have fired Saban for not preparing the team for La. Monroe a 6 loss team

[titans#1]

Originally Posted by THE COMMISH

BYU WAS RANKED 18TH JUST LIKE THE VOLS WHEN THEY PLAYED UCLA. I THINK FULMER IS A LITTLE AFRAID . HE DID MORE RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE SIDELINE THAN I REMEMBER IN A LONG TIME. I THINK THE VOLS ARE STARTING THE WRONG QUARTERBACK , STEPHENS LOOKED MORE AT HOME THAN CROMPTON DOES RUNNING THE OFFENSE.

it's still early in the season you dont know if byu is a top ranked team or not jeez you guys are so quick to judge teams

[titans#1]

Originally Posted by Stoney

BOTH... you must win every game they don't give trophies to second place ask Ohio State.

o.k......still what does ucla hae to do with tennessee now the game is over wuth and now ucla cant affect us so why are we keeping track of there season for even if they lose the rest of there games and not score a single point for the rest of the season it still wont affect us the vols controle there own season not ucla

[titans#1]

Originally Posted by TN.Marine

I'll say the player talent overcame"FatBoy" Phils inept coaching.Let's hope that happens.Now I have got this figured out.

wow now i've herd it all so if tennessee wins its because of the players but if the vols lose it's fulmers fault i think you guys just dont want to admit that ucla players out played the tennessee players in the openiong game

[THE COMMISH]

And Byu Out Played Both Teams, I Wonder If The Tn. And Fl. Final Score Will Be Higher Or Lower Than Last Year.

[RabidVolsFan]

Originally Posted by Stoney

JRL let me slow this down... o k a y

Each team has 1,2,3,4,5,6 months to prepare for the season opener. It isn't like they don't know who they are going to play. Each team can scout thier opponent out. Fulmer didn't do that last year or this year. He lost both games to non-conference opponents. There is no way you can make me believe that UCLA is better than Tennesee athletically speaking. So the blame falls squarely on the coaches shoulders. Fulmer did not prepare and has a history of not preparing. He knows Tennesee isn't going to fire him after he donated a million bucks to them last year.
It is one thing to be slower or outmatched size wise or physically inferior or injured. Tennesee was none of these things yet lost to someone they should have crushed. What exactly was Phillip Fulmer doing all Summer? He sure wasn't working on the fundamentals and physical toughness of his team. 16 years ago he would have been passionate and motivated now he rests on his "reputation" if he had of won last season's opener he might well have been playing for a national title. This year he may be lucky to even get to a bowl game.

I would dare to say we could have been a lot more aggresive in the second half of the UCLA game on both sides of the ball. Crompton could have had better protection also. But to be breaking in a rookie QB,(who ran for his life most of the game) we still had a chance to win that game. From one week to the next, any team can lose on any given day. You can be sure Bama will have one of those games before the season is over. But Saturday will be gut check time for Crompton and the whole team really. I guess we just have to wait and see. I think they beat Florida Sat.

[THE COMMISH]

Originally Posted by RabidVolsFan

I would dare to say we could have been a lot more aggresive in the second half of the UCLA game on both sides of the ball. Crompton could have had better protection also. But to be breaking in a rookie QB,(who ran for his life most of the game) we still had a chance to win that game. From one week to the next, any team can lose on any given day. You can be sure Bama will have one of those games before the season is over. But Saturday will be gut check time for Crompton and the whole team really. I guess we just have to wait and see. I think they beat Florida Sat.

SORRY ,FL. BY 3 TOUCHDOWNS AT LEAST.