[stroker crank]

Originally Posted by loco4pablo

Why would you want Jeremy to sue nascar?? what do you have against nascar?
All I know is, nascar made Jeremy Mayfield a millionaire for god sakes. Jeremy has lived a charmed life since he came into this sport, he had quality rides (Penske, EMS), he had quality sponsors and endorsements (mobil, dodge dealers).... Jeremy has always been his own biggest enemy. Even when he decided to start his own team he was able to lock up sponsorship which isn't an easy task in todays economy.... Once again Jeremy blew it!!
I wish some of these nascar bleeding hearts would see it for what it is.
When Arron Fike was busted with Heron everyone blasted nascar for not having a drug policy and "how could they endanger other drivers and fans lives"
nascar acted... well now they have a policy.... Bottom line is Jeremy failed the test... What was nascar to do? They suspended him.. just like they did in Feb. when they busted some of Jeremy's crew members....Which I'm willing to bet they failed for the same thing...Nothing was said when these crew members were suspended....Only difference is Jeremy has some of his NASCAR money to hire lawyers!

Nascar has a responsibility to insure these test results are accurate. If they aren't, Mayfield deserves compensation.

[loco4pablo]

The test was accurate and he FAILED!!! They sent it to another lab and guess what???....HE FAILED!!!!
So what does Jeremy's Lawyer do???? In typical lawyer fashion he blames everyone but Jeremy. Comes up with 100 different reasons why nascar is wrong.
Excuse #1....Jeremy mixed over the counter med's with prescribed meds.
Excuse #2.... NASCAR never published a list of banned substances, trust me Jeremy meth is on it!
Excuse #3.... The sample wasn't properly sealed when it was sent to the second lab.
Excuse #4.... Jeremy was taking meds for his ADD

In typical lawyer fashion no one is responsiable for their own actions.

[mike honcho]

and could have declared using the prescription and over the counter drugs before the test was administered and DIDN'T

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by loco4pablo

The test was accurate and he FAILED!!! They sent it to another lab and guess what???....HE FAILED!!!!
So what does Jeremy's Lawyer do???? In typical lawyer fashion he blames everyone but Jeremy. Comes up with 100 different reasons why nascar is wrong.
Excuse #1....Jeremy mixed over the counter med's with prescribed meds.
Excuse #2.... NASCAR never published a list of banned substances, trust me Jeremy meth is on it!
Excuse #3.... The sample wasn't properly sealed when it was sent to the second lab.
Excuse #4.... Jeremy was taking meds for his ADD

In typical lawyer fashion no one is responsiable for their own actions.

Mark it. It's 7/3/09 at 1645 and loco and I agree on something.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by stroker crank

Nascar has a responsibility to insure these test results are accurate. If they aren't, Mayfield deserves compensation.

What compensation do you suggest ???? I mean ... he failed the test twice. Give him an aspirin for his headache and send him on his way. How's that ?

[Team Yates]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

What compensation do you suggest ???? I mean ... he failed the test twice. Give him an aspirin for his headache and send him on his way. How's that ?

How about we hook him up with MJ's "ex" traveling doctor?

[loco4pablo]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Mark it. It's 7/3/09 at 1645 and loco and I agree on something.

stranger things have happened I guess

[loco4pablo]

Originally Posted by mike honcho

and could have declared using the prescription and over the counter drugs before the test was administered and DIDN'T

I think Jeremy cooked his own goose! First of all I have never been a Mayfield fan but I hate to see him get into this jam.

Jeremy had a few team members get popped on a test this year in Daytona so he should have known NASCAR had it's eye on the 41 team, so if he was taking "legal" meds he should have made it known to NASCAR. As he knew a test was coming up for him.

Once he failed the test, nascar never said what he failed for. They also said he could run his 41 car with another driver and he himself could drive again once he went thru rehab. How is this screwing Jeremy?

Americans in general are forgiving people but we also expect people to fess up to short comings. How many baseball, football, basketball players, actors, musicians and politicians have been involved in cases where they messed up, did the time or punishment and then come back and have productive careers?

Jeremy should have held a press conference with FULL TEARS with his wife by his side and admitted he had a problem and gone to rehab. Once out of rehab you have another press conference and announce you are healed and you want to thank NASCAR, your fans, your wife for the support BUT most of all GOD for the courage to go through with this (then wipe a tear or two away)
Next thing you know, the bleeding heart nascar fan is behind him, he gets PR and even sponsorships and he is back on track for the 201 Daytona 500.

But noooooooo Jeremy has to deny this then sue & blame nascar..... bye bye Jeremy!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by loco4pablo

I think Jeremy cooked his own goose! First of all I have never been a Mayfield fan but I hate to see him get into this jam.

Jeremy had a few team members get popped on a test this year in Daytona so he should have known NASCAR had it's eye on the 41 team, so if he was taking "legal" meds he should have made it known to NASCAR. As he knew a test was coming up for him.

Once he failed the test, nascar never said what he failed for. They also said he could run his 41 car with another driver and he himself could drive again once he went thru rehab. How is this screwing Jeremy?

Americans in general are forgiving people but we also expect people to fess up to short comings. How many baseball, football, basketball players, actors, musicians and politicians have been involved in cases where they messed up, did the time or punishment and then come back and have productive careers?

Jeremy should have held a press conference with FULL TEARS with his wife by his side and admitted he had a problem and gone to rehab. Once out of rehab you have another press conference and announce you are healed and you want to thank NASCAR, your fans, your wife for the support BUT most of all GOD for the courage to go through with this (then wipe a tear or two away)
Next thing you know, the bleeding heart nascar fan is behind him, he gets PR and even sponsorships and he is back on track for the 201 Daytona 500.

But noooooooo Jeremy has to deny this then sue & blame nascar..... bye bye Jeremy!

We're on the same page on this one EXCEPT the phony apology. It's been my experience that you can ALWAYS tell when an addict or an alcoholic is trying to snow you; their lips are moving. So, apologetic words mean nothing to me. Show me some action, or something of substance, then I might accept an apology.

OTOH, this whole deal reminds me frighteningly of how NASCAR went after Tim Richmond in 1978. Richmond finally went after NASCAR with a defamation of character lawsuit, which brought out the fact that NASCAR never actually found controlled substances in his pee test, only Sudafed and Advil.

Sorry, loco. Personally I see this whole thing being like watching the movie Dumb and Dumber. I think both sides are hosed up and I really don't see anyone, including the fans, coming out a winner.

[NascarPoolsOnline]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

We're on the same page on this one EXCEPT the phony apology. It's been my experience that you can ALWAYS tell when an addict or an alcoholic is trying to snow you; their lips are moving. So, apologetic words mean nothing to me. Show me some action, or something of substance, then I might accept an apology.

I think this covers 'athletes' in general for whatever, rec drugs, PED's, infidelity etc...

The only thing they're sorry for is being caught.

[clutch]

So Nascar is now appealing the decision that lifted Mayfields suspension. Anyone know of a date for that yet?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by clutch

So Nascar is now appealing the decision that lifted Mayfields suspension. Anyone know of a date for that yet?

I sure don't. Hmmm...? Could it be that NA__AR realizes that Mayfield's funds are limited and it can bankrupt him through appeals and trials?

[kkfan91]

... how did a guy with ADD become a race car driver in the first place?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by NascarPoolsOnline

I think this covers 'athletes' in general for whatever, rec drugs, PED's, infidelity etc...

The only thing they're sorry for is being caught.

BINGO! You affirm what I stated recently when I posed that these drivers, other high-profile athletes, high paid entertainment types and ranking politicians just DO NOT think the way normal people think and many feel that they actually play by different sets of rules. Thus has it always been, so it's no new revelation.

That isn't some kind of a bourgeois "wealth-envy" statement, mind you. It is just a sociological observation.

[nascaraddict]

However this pans out, I just want in the end run for Jeremy to be able to get back to the bussiness of driving a Spint Cup car. If he has to go to rehab, fine. Then have it set out for him to go.

If he doesn't, well justs let the guy go on his way.