[Motorsports One]

Here are the results of the Lenox Industrial Tools 301.

Lenox Industrial Tools 301 - Motorsports One

Here are the Sprint Cup Series driver point standings.

NASCAR Sprint Cup Series 2009 driver point standings - Motorsports One

Here are the Sprint Cup Series owner point standings.

NASCAR Sprint Cup Series 2009 owner point standings - Motorsports One

[Bob Tanner]

Master Joey's now an official winner. Good for him. He's got a ton of talent for a kid. I hope the cry that "He's doesn't deserve it!!" is short-lived.

That sound you might be hearing in the background is the clicking of keyboard keys while a multitude of people scurry to change their screen names to something commemorating Master Joey.

[gordon_fan_4_life]

I didn't see the race but it was another rain shortened race with THE CREW calling for him to stay out. So I will need to see abit more out of him b4 I say he deserves a win. Thats all! But I am actually glad he won. Although I don't think that was HIS win, I am still proud and hope that he can get one by just racing and not playing the rain.

[Blaze88]

I was so happy to see him win. Me and my dad always pick who will win. He picked Tony and I was like I pick Joey(which I've done every week all year..lol) and I got it right this time. Pretty awesome and as they say a win is a win. But i'd love to see him get a win in a full race.

[j-man24fan]

I gonna say this as i feel the Coke 600 went- Joey didn't deserve it. Where was he all the race? I dunno. Even Jeff and Kurt had no idea they were racing him for the win! NASCAR.COM - Busch, Gordon settle for top-fives in wild Cup race - Jun 28, 2009

If joey is gonna gain my respect as a winner, you aren't gonna do it under rain strategy. You gotta do it on Fuel mileage or pure racing. The way i see, This was a race that Should have gone to Jeff or Kurt, They were the ones racing in 1 2 positions for the majority of the race.

[Racer Duck]

Isn't it wonderful that Mother (as in Nature) always incites negative reactions from fans when none of the top performing cars happen to be in the lead when the race is called prematurely and some "undeserving" car gets the trophy?

I guess if the rains had come while Bobby Labonte was leading the race, he wouldn't have deserved it either...

My hat's off to Joey and Zippy for getting their car in the right place as the right time. Winning isn't always about who's the fastest on the track .. sometimes it's about who's made the correct call for the circumstances.

[Blaze88]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

Isn't it wonderful that Mother (as in Nature) always incites negative reactions from fans when none of the top performing cars happen to be in the lead when the race is called prematurely and some "undeserving" car gets the trophy?

I guess if the rains had come while Bobby Labonte was leading the race, he wouldn't have deserved it either...

My hat's off to Joey and Zippy for getting their car in the right place as the right time. Winning isn't always about who's the fastest on the track .. sometimes it's about who's made the correct call for the circumstances.

So true...



They just don't understand that winning under rain takes just as much strategy as winning any other way. You gotta put yourself in the right position during the race pit at the right time and stay out at the right time and be there when the rains come.

[HendrickMoto]

Joey does not deserve this win. Zippy does. This win belongs completly to Greg.

[Robertdjr]

Originally Posted by HendrickMoto

Joey does not deserve this win. Zippy does. This win belongs completly to Greg.

I must have missed it when Zippy got in the car for Joey and drove across the finish line. But then, my face was buried in grilled pork chops, home fried taters with Vidalia onions and ranch style beans, so I could have missed a lot about that time.

[gordon_fan_4_life]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

Isn't it wonderful that Mother (as in Nature) always incites negative reactions from fans when none of the top performing cars happen to be in the lead when the race is called prematurely and some "undeserving" car gets the trophy?

I guess if the rains had come while Bobby Labonte was leading the race, he wouldn't have deserved it either...

My hat's off to Joey and Zippy for getting their car in the right place as the right time. Winning isn't always about who's the fastest on the track .. sometimes it's about who's made the correct call for the circumstances.

Your hats off to Joey? Tell me what did Joey do other then do what his boss told him! Shoot...that coulda been me in that car and as long as I had a crew chief to tell me to stay out...I coulda won. Kurt Busch who is a big name one last year cuz fuel strategy and I also thought that was crap and that he didn't deserve it. While a win is a win, they should give credit to the crew chief rather then the driver in those situations. I can't believe you all can sit their and congradulate Joey for winning when HIS DRIVING SKILLS had him at the back of the pack the whole freakin race!

[jks812]

Yes Joey was doing what Zippy told him to do, the same as Jeff was doing what his CC told him to do when he won his rain race, and Jr when he won his fuel race. I don't like them kind of races but if they're good enough for Jeff and Jr to claim, they're good enough for Joey to claim.

As far as the part about Jeff and Kurt didn't know they were racing Joey for the lead, whose fault is that? It's not Joey's, that would fall on their spotters.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by gordon_fan_4_life

Your hats off to Joey? Tell me what did Joey do other then do what his boss told him! Shoot...that coulda been me in that car and as long as I had a crew chief to tell me to stay out...I coulda won. Kurt Busch who is a big name one last year cuz fuel strategy and I also thought that was crap and that he didn't deserve it. While a win is a win, they should give credit to the crew chief rather then the driver in those situations. I can't believe you all can sit their and congradulate Joey for winning when HIS DRIVING SKILLS had him at the back of the pack the whole freakin race!

You should go back and check the lap charts. He was running in the top 20 when he spun which put him a lap down (seems Jeffie has done that a time or two also ) Then he was good enough to get his lap back and be in the right place when the race was called. He probably wouldn't have finished in the top 10 without the rain. So what? It rained. Happened before and it'll happen again. We just have to learn to accept it. Just like fuel mileage races. Nobody LIKES them. But until NASCAR changes their program, they'll continue to be something we (all) have to deal with.

Look at it this way: Joey has good enough driving skills that he reached the top echelon of his sport at 18 yo. That's more than anyone else can say. So whether you or me or anyone else likes him, his driving, or his circumstances makes no difference. He's there and we aren't.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

You should go back and check the lap charts. He was running in the top 20 when he spun which put him a lap down (seems Jeffie has done that a time or two also ) Then he was good enough to get his lap back and be in the right place when the race was called.


Look at it this way: Joey has good enough driving skills that he reached the top echelon of his sport at 18 yo. That's more than anyone else can say. So whether you or me or anyone else likes him, his driving, or his circumstances makes no difference. He's there and we aren't.

Was he good enough to get his lap back, Duck? Or did he just benefit from a quirk of NA__AR's rules; i.e. "Lucky Dawg?" Thanks to the rule we'll never really know if he was truly "Good enough" to win Sunday's race.

Just another reason why I think some of NA__AR's "entertainment value" rules are just dumb.

BTW, I said the same thing about Newman's win when he took advantage of two "Lucky Dawgs" to win, in one of the first races where the silly rule was imposed.

This isn't anything toward Master Joey. He's improving at an increasing rate and he'll be more competitive the second time he sees these tracks. I still think he's too young to be at the competition level he's at but hat's just me. He did handle his win graciously and in a mature manner belying his years. Much more graciously than the way DW handled any of his many wins. I was impressed.

You final statement just plain says it all: "He's there and we aren't."

[NascarPoolsOnline]

They are all playing by the same rules...He won, he deserved it...it's that simple. (The rules' validity is a whole other argument )

It's not like they are the only team with a radar, that have 'earned' a lucky dog, etc etc etc. Fuel mileage/rain shortened...they're both gambles. One that bit Newman in the ass...and I'm sure people wouldn't have complained had he won the race due to rain.

Give the kid his due...he'll be winning alot more races in the coming years

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Was he good enough to get his lap back, Duck? Or did he just benefit from a quirk of NA__AR's rules; i.e. "Lucky Dawg?" Thanks to the rule we'll never really know if he was truly "Good enough" to win Sunday's race.

Just another reason why I think some of NA__AR's "entertainment value" rules are just dumb.

BTW, I said the same thing about Newman's win when he took advantage of two "Lucky Dawgs" to win, in one of the first races where the silly rule was imposed.

This isn't anything toward Master Joey. He's improving at an increasing rate and he'll be more competitive the second time he sees these tracks. I still think he's too young to be at the competition level he's at but hat's just me. He did handle his win graciously and in a mature manner belying his years. Much more graciously than the way DW handled any of his many wins. I was impressed.

You final statement just plain says it all: "He's there and we aren't."

quirk or rules or not, he had to battle other drivers to be in the position to benefit from the "Lucky Dawg" so, according to the existing rules at the time he was "good enough".

I too am impressed by Joey. I am one who thought he came up too fast. And still think he did. But he's showing a maturity and humility way beyond his years. Gotta give the kid his due...he's done more than anyone else his age and seems to have the right attitude towards his accomplishments. What else can you ask of him?