[GrimlockAutobot]

I'm VERY disappointed that GM is closing it's Pontiac division. Pontiac has a rich history in racing and in general. Who could forget the Firebird, Grand Prix, and GTO as well as the GTO Judge?

It doesn't seem fair that Pontiac is closing and the most redundant brand ever, GMC gets to stay alive.

I mean what does GMC have to offer that Chevy doesn't already do? I know that most GM cars nowadays are all the same under the hood with different skin and badging on them but, it seems to me that Pontiac had a little more distinction in it's designs from Chevy than GMC does.

I was disappointed when Pontiac left NASCAR a few years ago and now I'm borderline devastated that they'll be closing alltogether.

My father-in-law drives a beautiful '79 Grand Prix.....it's in beautiful shape. It has the big V8 in it and everything. I hope to have it passed down to me one day. But, it hurts to know that 15-20 years from now people will look at the Pontiac badge on it and probably won't even remember what a Pontiac was.

I feel like if any brand had to go, it would've been GMC because GMC's might as well be Chevy's with a different badge on them.

[mike honcho]

Because Pontiac is more about hi-performance vehicles than GMC is.

[GrimlockAutobot]

Originally Posted by mike honcho

Because Pontiac is more about hi-performance vehicles than GMC is.

The Firebird was discontinued years ago and the only high-performance vehicle Pontiac had was the GTO.

The G5, G6, and Torrent weren't high performance.

GMC=Chevy. GMC is the redundant brand. Pontiac should've stayed.

[Bob Tanner]

I was thinking the same question, Grim. I heard a couple weeks ago that GMC was the one going off-line and when Pontiac's name popped up I was kind of puzzled.

The only logical ( that's a laugh; we're dealing with government decisions here so logic goes out the window) reason I can think of, and this is just a SWAG and I'm probably off base, is that there are more common parts between Chevy and Pontiac cars than there are between GMC and Chevy trucks?

I know the "Greenies" were anxious to see the GMC go because it represents to them gas use and large vehicles (read: practicality, comfort and luxury) so the choice of Pontiac mystifies me.

[Roadmaster1]

trucks sell... trucks hold value... trucks are useful... trucks do work... gmc is in CANADA obama is not in control of Canada.... it is more political that anything redundant.. think about it... and there is that little phrase... Pontiac using the letters ... Poor Old N____ Thinks Its A Caddy ........sorry for the racial connotation... but with obama... it may be an issue... the new GTO is not a GTO .... sorry...

[flflash47]

Technicaly GMC actually builds Chevys trucks.

The commercial market for GMC Medium Duty and Heavy Duty Trucks/Vans is Huge Worldwide, Chevy just has toy trucks.

[Roadmaster1]

say it isn't so flash! toy trucks... sigh.... wish chevy would be a leader again... the new trucks look like they are a copy of the titan and tundra... those tall fender panels just don't look like a chevy anymore... sorry.. I want one, toy or not... 2003 to 2006 , guess I have to get a used one.

[Curves24]

Has anyone else heard that the govt is giving UAW 55% of GM to control?

I think I am going to buy a Ford (that says a lot if you know me at all)

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Curves24

Has anyone else heard that the govt is giving UAW 55% of GM to control?

I think I am going to buy a Ford (that says a lot if you know me at all)

Yep, I heard that last night. Oh well. Lot's of "informed voters" voted for "Change." Looks as though they got it.

As for me, I like the Tea Party sign: "Just let me keep my money and you (the Imperial Federal Government) can keep the "Change!" Tag line germane.

[Roadmaster1]

Amen bob tanner....

[WestCoast]

Worker controlled manufacturing could be the best thing for the auto industry, better still they should become "shareholders".
There is no better way to improve: product, morale, productivity, pride etc, then when you work for yourself.

Up here, West Jet, a western airline has the best rated service, client satisfaction, and is the only profitable airline. And yes, the workers are also the shareholders, imagine that.

[kkfan91]

cause i drive a jimmy obviously

and just my two cents change is good being cranky sore losers is not thank you now let the rants directed at liberal nascar fan i can't wait

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by WestCoast

Worker controlled manufacturing could be the best thing for the auto industry, better still they should become "shareholders".
There is no better way to improve: product, morale, productivity, pride etc, then when you work for yourself.

Up here, West Jet, a western airline has the best rated service, client satisfaction, and is the only profitable airline. And yes, the workers are also the shareholders, imagine that.

Interesting. I, of course, disagree with your worker-owned statement UNLESS the workers also have a financial investment in the company.

But that's just my own beliefs and aren't germane here in reference to your opinion.

I was only vaguely aware of West Jet. In fact, I don't think I've seen one, but that's not surprising; I stay away from air travel like the plague. I remember back when it was a pleasure and not an ordeal. I would be interested in knowing how West Jet wages and benefits compare to those of other airlines and how they compare to how they were prior to the employees getting control. It might work here in North America but it didn't work worth a darn the last time it was tried on a mass scale.

[Roadmaster1]

kkfan ... you need to start playing well with others...

[WestCoast]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Interesting. I, of course, disagree with your worker-owned statement UNLESS the workers also have a financial investment in the company.

You sound like "The Man" who likes to keep his foot on his employees backs.
Yes Bob, being a "shareholder" means that the workers have a financial investment in the company's success.