[Team Yates]

Wider tire couple years away: A Goodyear official said that the new wider, taller tire that should be better suited for the Car of Tomorrow and help with the handling of those cars is now "at least'' 2 years away from being used in a race. Greg Stucker made the comment Wednesday during a tire test at Lowe's Motor Speedway. Stucker told me in January that he was hopeful that the new tire could be used in a race in 2010, but the timeline has since changed. Stucker said that Goodyear met with NASCAR officials on Tuesday to update series officials on the progress of the new tire. "We feel like we've still got some work to do,'' Stucker said. "We're certainly seeing some performance advantages, which was one of the goals. There are a few things we're not comfortable with yet as far as the overall footprint shape, the way the tire interacts. We think we've got some thing to improve before we put it on the race track. I'd say there's an outside chance we could be on a race track by the end of this year (for testing) but I'd say it's a litlte more long term than that. There are still a lot of things that have to happen before you put it in the race. We're a couple of years out before we do that. It's going to be some fairly significant changes we think.'' The new tire is 17 inches in diameter. The current tire is 15 inches in diameter. The new tire is 1.5 inches wider. What Goodyear likes about the new tire: "We're able to have a litlte bit more durable package. The tire is going to be wider and with it being taller actaully elongates the footprint, makes it longer. By having a wider footprint that means more cornering power that translates, basically into more grip.(Virginian Pilot)(3-19-2009)

[nascaraddict]

So let me get this right... So basicly, they invented the cart. Now after two years, they say that they want to invent the wheel? That makes perfect sence.


That goes along with everything else that came along with the CoT program. Thanks Brian France!

[Measure]

Originally Posted by nascaraddict

So let me get this right... So basicly, they invented the cart. Now after two years, they say that they want to invent the wheel? That makes perfect sence.


That goes along with everything else that came along with the CoT program. Thanks Brian France!

That NASCAR didn't consider in the first place that a new car might require a new tire is ridiculously stupid on NASCAR's part.

That they are now working something out, is good news, even if it's going to take longer than we'd like to see.

[nascaraddict]

Originally Posted by Measure

That NASCAR didn't consider in the first place that a new car might require a new tire is ridiculously stupid on NASCAR's part.

That they are now working something out, is good news, even if it's going to take longer than we'd like to see.

Stupid, stupid, stupid!

The CoT was a boneheaded idea in the first place. The only people that likes the things are Rick Hendrick and Jack Roush. Because them and them and their drivers have had one "expletive deleted" of a time tearing up the track with the deep pockets they have; while the smaller teams are just living off of the table scraps.

[thunderfoot]

Originally Posted by Measure

That NASCAR didn't consider in the first place that a new car might require a new tire is ridiculously stupid on NASCAR's part.

That they are now working something out, is good news, even if it's going to take longer than we'd like to see.

So goes the learning curve. Obviously the engineers were not thinking what was going to be effected down the road. Or, they knew that there was going to be some type of changes. But would have to wait and see what they got to work with in the first place. I saw a program on speed last night about the new Acura that was going to run in the American LeMans Series. Their whole idea and new concept was to run a tire on the front that was the same size as the rear. They knew that there would be problems with the steering and aero package. But they overcame the little things and now have the car to beat at Sebring tomorrow. After testing they said they got one fast racer. Watch them kick ass all year and then the sanctioning body declare the car illegal. Thats the price of progress. If ya cant beat em, Ban em

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by thunderfoot

So goes the learning curve. Obviously the engineers were not thinking what was going to be effected down the road. Or, they knew that there was going to be some type of changes. But would have to wait and see what they got to work with in the first place. I saw a program on speed last night about the new Acura that was going to run in the American LeMans Series. Their whole idea and new concept was to run a tire on the front that was the same size as the rear. They knew that there would be problems with the steering and aero package. But they overcame the little things and now have the car to beat at Sebring tomorrow. After testing they said they got one fast racer. Watch them kick ass all year and then the sanctioning body declare the car illegal. Thats the price of progress. If ya cant beat em, Ban em

Can you say MOPAR Hemi? Ford Wedge? Shall I go on?

[Robertdjr]

Ok, somebody who knows more than me can explain this one to me. If the new tire is gonna be 2 inches more in diameter and 1.5 inches wider, and given the tires they have now just barely fit inside the wheel wells without rubbing, how are they gonna get the new tires in there? Rebuild everything around it so it will fit? Or is there more space in there than I think there is?

[thunderfoot]

Originally Posted by Robertdjr

Ok, somebody who knows more than me can explain this one to me. If the new tire is gonna be 2 inches more in diameter and 1.5 inches wider, and given the tires they have now just barely fit inside the wheel wells without rubbing, how are they gonna get the new tires in there? Rebuild everything around it so it will fit? Or is there more space in there than I think there is?

I'm willing to bet its back to the drawing board for a few items. I believe its going to change the geometry of the front end, in turn it seems feasible the roll center will change. What do you think?

[DOF_power]

Originally Posted by thunderfoot

So goes the learning curve. Obviously the engineers were not thinking what was going to be effected down the road. Or, they knew that there was going to be some type of changes. But would have to wait and see what they got to work with in the first place. I saw a program on speed last night about the new Acura that was going to run in the American LeMans Series. Their whole idea and new concept was to run a tire on the front that was the same size as the rear. They knew that there would be problems with the steering and aero package. But they overcame the little things and now have the car to beat at Sebring tomorrow. After testing they said they got one fast racer. Watch them kick ass all year and then the sanctioning body declare the car illegal. Thats the price of progress. If ya cant beat em, Ban em

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Can you say MOPAR Hemi? Ford Wedge? Shall I go on?

Reminds me a bit of what Williams did in the early 80s, they created a 6 wheeler using only front wheels.





When the broke lap records in testing, it was immediately banned, never participating in any actual race.

[Intox]

Originally Posted by nascaraddict

Stupid, stupid, stupid!

The CoT was a boneheaded idea in the first place. The only people that likes the things are Rick Hendrick and Jack Roush. Because them and them and their drivers have had one "expletive deleted" of a time tearing up the track with the deep pockets they have; while the smaller teams are just living off of the table scraps.

I dont think HMS or Roush like these cars....the fact that they got a jump on the compitition doesn't mean they like them just means they had the forsight to understand that these cars were coming whether you like it on not....Long live the superpowers....

[BigdaddyQH]

In another two years, there may only be one or two different "brands" of cars running (not that there is any difference today). Like I said,IROC racing for 36 races. It's all garbage.

[thunderfoot]

Originally Posted by DOF_power

Reminds me a bit of what Williams did in the early 80s, they created a 6 wheeler using only front wheels.





When the broke lap records in testing, it was immediately banned, never participating in any actual race.

Remember the ELF car? It had 4 steer wheels and did pretty good.

[nascaraddict]

See... I thought that the end of NASCAR was going to be when some of the drivers started complaining about the tires back around 2003. And Then they got the new compounds, and new tires.

Then came the Holy Grail of NASCAR screw-ups, the CoT. So when you add the two of them togeather you get schmitty racing, blown tires, etc.

And since NASCAR is saddled with the CoT for the forseeable future, the only thing to do is to try to polish the turd, if you will. But the main problem is that with the economy the way it is, Goodyear and NASCAR doesn't have the money to test to make it any better. And so you get what we've got.

It just makes a guy want to cry.

[Measure]

Originally Posted by thunderfoot

So goes the learning curve. Obviously the engineers were not thinking what was going to be effected down the road. Or, they knew that there was going to be some type of changes. But would have to wait and see what they got to work with in the first place. I saw a program on speed last night about the new Acura that was going to run in the American LeMans Series. Their whole idea and new concept was to run a tire on the front that was the same size as the rear. They knew that there would be problems with the steering and aero package. But they overcame the little things and now have the car to beat at Sebring tomorrow. After testing they said they got one fast racer. Watch them kick ass all year and then the sanctioning body declare the car illegal. Thats the price of progress. If ya cant beat em, Ban em

Learning Curve?

NASCAR is a multi-million dollar sport.

The new car should have been fully computer simulated before the build, just like Boeing does full computer simulations before they build an airplane.

NASCAR should have an in-house race simulator that accurately predicts what changes to the car will do.

The computers should have suggested a larger tire to go with a new car.

Instead, NASCAR fumbles around with the new car and acts like if it has no idea how to improve it.

What's scary is that this may actually be the case, NASCAR doesn't have a clue what it's doing.

[thunderfoot]

Originally Posted by Measure

Learning Curve?

NASCAR is a multi-million dollar sport.

The new car should have been fully computer simulated before the build, just like Boeing does full computer simulations before they build an airplane.

NASCAR should have an in-house race simulator that accurately predicts what changes to the car will do.

The computers should have suggested a larger tire to go with a new car.

Instead, NASCAR fumbles around with the new car and acts like if it has no idea how to improve it.

What's scary is that this may actually be the case, NASCAR doesn't have a clue what it's doing.

You opened your clue bag and looked inside didnt ya? Well now, thats one up on what the goobers in the upper echelon of NASCAR havent done. If you dont look in your clue bag once in a while how ya gonna figger this BS out?