[Bob Tanner]

Cavid Caraviello wrote the following article:

NASCAR.COM - Alienated fans use Johnson as*their NASCAR*scapegoat - Dec 17, 2008

It's an OK article, telling us what a swell, "regular" guy Jimmy Johnson really is. But, deep within the article, David gives us the following statement:
"Sure, he could be a little more outspoken sometimes, but for the most part he's a classy champion who understands his sport and his role in it. Still, it's not enough. There are plenty of people out there who haven't adapted easily to change, who hate the fact that Chevrolets don't look like Chevrolets anymore, or that Ken Squier isn't calling the races, or that North Wilkesboro couldn't keep up with the times. Those are the people who grumble loudest about the Chase and the new car and Auto Club Speedway. Those are the people who need a scapegoat, something that to them embodies everything they don't like about modern NASCAR.
"

Folks many of us here have just been profiled and stereotyped. Misfits thrown in a single bucket of malcontented fecal matter. We obviously are incapable of understanding the refinement and nuances of this new and improved NA__AR.

The people who don't think Jimmy is the greatest thing since Joey Logano obviously "just don't get it," and are labeled by Mr. C.

[jks812]

Can they not accept that some of us just don't like JJ? It has nothing to do with using him as a scapegoat. I just don't like him. Has nothing to do with his winning, I didn't like him from the beginning.
As far as a scapegoat for everything wrong with Nascar, why that would be Brian's job. And as far as I can see he is really the one to blame for that.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Cavid Caraviello wrote the following article:

NASCAR.COM - Alienated fans use Johnson as*their NASCAR*scapegoat - Dec 17, 2008

It's an OK article, telling us what a swell, "regular" guy Jimmy Johnson really is. But, deep within the article, David gives us the following statement:
"Sure, he could be a little more outspoken sometimes, but for the most part he's a classy champion who understands his sport and his role in it. Still, it's not enough. There are plenty of people out there who haven't adapted easily to change, who hate the fact that Chevrolets don't look like Chevrolets anymore, or that Ken Squier isn't calling the races, or that North Wilkesboro couldn't keep up with the times. Those are the people who grumble loudest about the Chase and the new car and Auto Club Speedway. Those are the people who need a scapegoat, something that to them embodies everything they don't like about modern NASCAR.
"

Folks many of us here have just been profiled and stereotyped. Misfits thrown in a single bucket of malcontented fecal matter. We obviously are incapable of understanding the refinement and nuances of this new and improved NA__AR.

The people who don't think Jimmy is the greatest thing since Joey Logano obviously "just don't get it," and are labeled by Mr. C.

Well maybe I should just apologize to Mr. C for not believin in a speedway that has yet to sell out a race or produce a mediocore race let alone a good race, or tryin to understand why people think JJ isn't a horses patoot posin as a great champion. I have a few words for Mr. C, but I'll refrain from sharin them, as I think it wouldn't get through all that Franceaid he has been drinkin.

[Bob Tanner]

I have nothing against Jimmy himself. I, personally, think he makes a good champion and a good representative for Cup. They could do much worse. But the, a man is know by the company he keeps and Jimmy is around Rick ("The Felon") Hendrick an awful lot.

What got me is the correlation Caraviello made between people, like me, who dislike the direction NA__AR has taken, and feelings about a particular driver. Other than their vanilla personalities which NA__AR unofficially mandates, there is absolutely no connection between how I feel about NA__AR and the NA__AR drivers.

I firmly believe this is a sign of a writer, who is in NA__AR's pocket and is grasping at straws for his own scapegoat.

[LSC9901]

I will "Officially" announce that my scapegoat for the state of which NASCAR is in will be Brian France. I really don't think he is a scapegoat though. I believe he is the reason.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I will "Officially" announce that my scapegoat for the state of which NASCAR is in will be Brian France. I really don't think he is a scapegoat though. I believe he is the reason.

To paraphrase a President from the latter part of the last Century, "Management isn't the answer to the problem. Management IS the problem!" Is that kinda what you mean?

I will refer to one of my saying: "Management causes wars; leadership wins them."

[Racer Duck]

I'll tell you what's wrong with NASCAR:

• most races are too long
• there's too many races
• some tracks don't deserve two races, a few don't even deserve one
• the Chosen
• the fastest don't always get to race
• there's more commercials than racing
• the 2 hour long pre-race show
• debris cautions
• the stupid "playoff" system
• ISC
• the France Family
• NYC awards banquet (invite only)
• the "twisted sister" and her sibling the "CON"
• the tires for the Brickyard
• 4 team owners
• in-car cameras
• in-race "reporters"
• more than 2 race announcers
• stupid penalties and even stupider (yes that's a word, I used it in elementary school!) rules being enforced haphazardly
• and last but not least, pit boxes that cost more (and have more TV's) than my house!

and no, I'm not a fan of JJ's .. but he's not what's wrong with NASCAR.

[DOF_power]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I'll tell you what's wrong with NASCAR:

• most races are too long
• there's too many races
• some tracks don't deserve two races, a few don't even deserve one
• the Chosen
• the fastest don't always get to race
• there's more commercials than racing
• the 2 hour long pre-race show
• debris cautions
• the stupid "playoff" system
• ISC
• the France Family
• NYC awards banquet (invite only)
• the "twisted sister" and her sibling the "CON"
• the tires for the Brickyard
• 4 team owners
• in-car cameras
• in-race "reporters"
• more than 2 race announcers
• stupid penalties and even stupider (yes that's a word, I used it in elementary school!) rules being enforced haphazardly
• and last but not least, pit boxes that cost more (and have more TV's) than my house!

and no, I'm not a fan of JJ's .. but he's not what's wrong with NASCAR.

I agree, but I don't have a problem with in car cameras just with the over-focus on a (bunch of) particular driver(s).

[WestCoast]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I'll tell you what's wrong with NASCAR:

• most races are too long
• there's too many races
• some tracks don't deserve two races, a few don't even deserve one
• the Chosen
• the fastest don't always get to race
• there's more commercials than racing
• the 2 hour long pre-race show
• debris cautions
• the stupid "playoff" system
• ISC
• the France Family
• NYC awards banquet (invite only)
• the "twisted sister" and her sibling the "CON"
• the tires for the Brickyard
• 4 team owners
• in-car cameras
• in-race "reporters"
• more than 2 race announcers
• stupid penalties and even stupider (yes that's a word, I used it in elementary school!) rules being enforced haphazardly
• and last but not least, pit boxes that cost more (and have more TV's) than my house!

and no, I'm not a fan of JJ's .. but he's not what's wrong with NASCAR.

You forgot, race cars going round in circles....
what's the deal with that?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I'll tell you what's wrong with NASCAR:

• most races are too long
• there's too many races
• some tracks don't deserve two races, a few don't even deserve one
• the Chosen
• the fastest don't always get to race
• there's more commercials than racing
• the 2 hour long pre-race show
• debris cautions
• the stupid "playoff" system
• ISC
• the France Family
• NYC awards banquet (invite only)
• the "twisted sister" and her sibling the "CON"
• the tires for the Brickyard
• 4 team owners
• in-car cameras
• in-race "reporters"
• more than 2 race announcers
• stupid penalties and even stupider (yes that's a word, I used it in elementary school!) rules being enforced haphazardly
• and last but not least, pit boxes that cost more (and have more TV's) than my house!

and no, I'm not a fan of JJ's .. but he's not what's wrong with NASCAR.

...and that just about sums it up for me, also.

[LSC9901]

I agree basically with the announcers choice but I would add that neither of the two should have a last name that begins with Waltrip, or McReynolds

Oh yeah one more item to add to the list:

Boogity, boogity, boogity

[thunderfoot]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I agree basically with the announcers choice but I would add that neither of the two should have a last name that begins with Waltrip, or McReynolds

Oh yeah one more item to add to the list:

Boogity, boogity, boogity

Have a Boogity New Year LSC.

[Gillette Young Gun]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I will "Officially" announce that my scapegoat for the state of which NASCAR is in will be Brian France. I really don't think he is a scapegoat though. I believe he is the reason.

Well yeah, he's the one in charge.

Still, I think people are finding what's bad about NASCAR and blowing it out of proportion. I think it's a joke that there are two Michigan races and only one at Darlington, but I'm not gonna say that it makes NASCAR not worth watching or anything.

[thunderfoot]

Everything belongs to Brian. The causes, the results and the insults. He's so stupid he doesnt realize it when he is getting the blame for his actions, or that he is even being insulted.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Gillette Young Gun

Well yeah, he's the one in charge.

Still, I think people are finding what's bad about NASCAR and blowing it out of proportion. I think it's a joke that there are two Michigan races and only one at Darlington, but I'm not gonna say that it makes NASCAR not worth watching or anything.

A couple of important points here Brian. In most cases good and bad are a perception based on what we want. You are a brand new fan and probably have no idea of what racing was like 40 years ago. A few people here have been fans that long. We've seen many changes. Obviously some for the betterment of the sport. Some for the betterment of the already fat wallets of the France family. I want to see racing !!! I'd love it if it was stock car racing closer to the form of stock car racing 40 years ago. None the less I still watch many, many races each season. Even though I still watch a lot of racing my fervent intrest is waning somewhat. I'm finally at the point where maybe mowing the lawn on Sunday afternoon will provide more excitement for me.

Blowing it out of proportion ??? I don't think so. Talk to some of the old time fans right here at GTG. They will relate some stories to you that will in effect make you understand where we come from and where we stand.