[3wide]

What he did today was so obviously wrong that there's no defense. He can't cry when Boyer and Edwards retaliate. I'm sure they will wait until the chase starts to ensure that he won't win the cup this year.


Carl's comment pretty much said it all, "how does a guy get this far in life being such a jerk". That was perfect.

[LSC9901]

I really do not like the "______ Sucks" threads but most of you are aware of my dislike for Tony. I believe he has a way above average ability to be a great winner in NASCAR. He is employed by a great team. He has an above average passion to be a winner. He appears to be generous with his monies. A passion to win doesn't give anyone the right to be better than they actually are on any given day or moment. One week he is complaining that the slower cars are getting in the way and the next week he complains because the faster cars are only passing him because they are bulling their way around the track. He complains that the "younger" drivers fresh out of the Busch series just are not respecting the veteran drivers. From my perspective he really needs to take a look at the tapes and make up his mind when and what he is going to complain about and he also REALLY, REALLY needs to accept responsibility for his blatant actions. Again I respect his passions and abilities but his actions need some serious change.

NA$CAR also needs to look at the types and severity of penalties they pass out. Obviously what they have passed out up to this point is no deterrent. Rough driving should be more than a one lap penalty. How many drivers have innocently suffered from rough driving and lost more than one lap getting repairs in the pits ?? The penalty should be a minimum of what the innocent spend in the pits PLUS 10 laps. Maybe that would make them think a little bit before ramming someone who was not at fault.

Sorry to the lovers of Stewart. As I've said he is a great driver but has no anger control management and at 150 plus MPH there is no room for stupidity.

[3wide]

Originally Posted by Smoke842

Yes I have

Smoke is a fiery guy! Like me. Well I 'm not a guy. But...what if someone would wreck your car? Would you be po'd? Smoke loves to race. He won Sat nite on Jimmy Spencer's dirt track. He loves to race. He's not a media spewer. Tells it like it is. I love him and always will, no matter what he does. If anyone doesn't, that's fine. It's America.

He has tons more passion than most Cup drivers. Like him, not like him, I don't care. I love him.

Good enough for you, Ross?

I agree with much of your post. Except the part where he tells like it is. He tells it like he sees it, which is very different.

[24/8/48fan]

We all know Tony doesn't suck, but he does play by his own rules, and if I hear him say "give and take" one more time I will go insane, literally insane.

[3wide]

Originally Posted by 24/8/48fan

We all know Tony doesn't suck, but he does play by his own rules, and if I hear him say "give and take" one more time I will go insane, literally insane.

Yup, you think someone that said give and take that much would have some kind of grasp of the concept.

[24/8/48fan]

Originally Posted by 3wide

Yup, you think someone that said give and take that much would have some kind of grasp of the concept.

I agree, it seems tony wants to take a mile when given an inch, and lately the only thing he gives is DNF's.

[KENVOL]

I don't like Tony at all. With that said he is one of the best drivers. He just never finds any fault with himself. He will run someone over then talk about give and take. I hope someone "takes" it to him at Indy. A couple of DNF's will be well worth it for him to learn to give and take.

[LADY3]

Originally Posted by TN_Gal

Ever hear the song "Stand By Your Man"?

YOU ARE A GOOF BALL. I have to side with Tony. Wasn't it Newman who shoved Tony up the wall in the first place, and Tony came down and pushed back, and Carl Edwards got the raw end of the deal. Tony was just showing that he won't take that off of anyone. ARE YOU READING THIS SMOKE. LOVE YOU ALL AND PEACE

[indyNASCARgirl]

Originally Posted by KENVOL

I don't like Tony at all. With that said he is one of the best drivers. He just never finds any fault with himself. He will run someone over then talk about give and take. I hope someone "takes" it to him at Indy. A couple of DNF's will be well worth it for him to learn to give and take.

I'll be at that race, want me to throw something at his car?

[Wampinrock]

That Tony caused the wreck that gravely hurt the 99 team and car is very, very unfortunate...that being said, I find it difficult to find common ground with some of the comments here in the thread. Most of us are yearning for the "Good 'Ol Days" of racing where individual talents and energies were brought forth and pockets of controversy abounded. "What happened to the days when the drivers were allowed to hang it all out and race for the win?". We want the drivers and teams to give it all, but then chastise those that actually do what we want, then pick on the individualism that we have not seen in years... (this does not excuse the result that Edwards suffered...that, again, was very unfortunate)> We want hard and exciting racing, but some of us point a finger (sometimes just the middle one) at the guy that has the intestinal fortitude to make a reace "real."

Of all of the drivers on the track, few demonstrate the "good ol days" better than Tony...yes, he has the talent, and the team and the car...and the agressive competetive spirit that used to be common on the tracks...however, in this modern France (don't make it too dangerous for the pretty boys out ther) mentality, he stands out as a black sheep, when I see him as a hold-over from those days that I used to sit in the bleachers of the local dirt track and cheer on the fellow that demonstrated the guts and the determination to get to the checkers first...I say a ton of that during the nine years I announced at all of the tracks in Alaska...they were actually viewed as heros...'cause they tried to win the race...what a concept!

I still feel badly about Edwards...he is also a very good driver. As a P.S.: what happened to Spencer? Is this the first race he did not take someone out?

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by Wampinrock

That Tony caused the wreck that gravely hurt the 99 team and car is very, very unfortunate...that being said, I find it difficult to find common ground with some of the comments here in the thread. Most of us are yearning for the "Good 'Ol Days" of racing where individual talents and energies were brought forth and pockets of controversy abounded. "What happened to the days when the drivers were allowed to hang it all out and race for the win?". We want the drivers and teams to give it all, but then chastise those that actually do what we want, then pick on the individualism that we have not seen in years... (this does not excuse the result that Edwards suffered...that, again, was very unfortunate)> We want hard and exciting racing, but some of us point a finger (sometimes just the middle one) at the guy that has the intestinal fortitude to make a reace "real."

Of all of the drivers on the track, few demonstrate the "good ol days" better than Tony...yes, he has the talent, and the team and the car...and the agressive competetive spirit that used to be common on the tracks...however, in this modern France (don't make it too dangerous for the pretty boys out ther) mentality, he stands out as a black sheep, when I see him as a hold-over from those days that I used to sit in the bleachers of the local dirt track and cheer on the fellow that demonstrated the guts and the determination to get to the checkers first...I say a ton of that during the nine years I announced at all of the tracks in Alaska...they were actually viewed as heros...'cause they tried to win the race...what a concept!

I still feel badly about Edwards...he is also a very good driver. As a P.S.: what happened to Spencer? Is this the first race he did not take someone out?

Totally agree, but I don't really feel sorry for Carl, he's wrecked others more then his fair share.

[24/8/48fan]

Originally Posted by Wampinrock

That Tony caused the wreck that gravely hurt the 99 team and car is very, very unfortunate...that being said, I find it difficult to find common ground with some of the comments here in the thread. Most of us are yearning for the "Good 'Ol Days" of racing where individual talents and energies were brought forth and pockets of controversy abounded. "What happened to the days when the drivers were allowed to hang it all out and race for the win?". We want the drivers and teams to give it all, but then chastise those that actually do what we want, then pick on the individualism that we have not seen in years... (this does not excuse the result that Edwards suffered...that, again, was very unfortunate)> We want hard and exciting racing, but some of us point a finger (sometimes just the middle one) at the guy that has the intestinal fortitude to make a reace "real."

Of all of the drivers on the track, few demonstrate the "good ol days" better than Tony...yes, he has the talent, and the team and the car...and the agressive competetive spirit that used to be common on the tracks...however, in this modern France (don't make it too dangerous for the pretty boys out ther) mentality, he stands out as a black sheep, when I see him as a hold-over from those days that I used to sit in the bleachers of the local dirt track and cheer on the fellow that demonstrated the guts and the determination to get to the checkers first...I say a ton of that during the nine years I announced at all of the tracks in Alaska...they were actually viewed as heros...'cause they tried to win the race...what a concept!

I still feel badly about Edwards...he is also a very good driver. As a P.S.: what happened to Spencer? Is this the first race he did not take someone out?

If all Tony did was go for the win that would be fine, he has got the skill to do that, but he goes for the kill, and then sounds like an idiot when he says all of that give and take crap, his act is getting old.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Wampinrock

That Tony caused the wreck that gravely hurt the 99 team and car is very, very unfortunate...that being said, I find it difficult to find common ground with some of the comments here in the thread. Most of us are yearning for the "Good 'Ol Days" of racing where individual talents and energies were brought forth and pockets of controversy abounded. "What happened to the days when the drivers were allowed to hang it all out and race for the win?". We want the drivers and teams to give it all, but then chastise those that actually do what we want, then pick on the individualism that we have not seen in years... (this does not excuse the result that Edwards suffered...that, again, was very unfortunate)> We want hard and exciting racing, but some of us point a finger (sometimes just the middle one) at the guy that has the intestinal fortitude to make a reace "real."

We will never find common ground. That is only natural that we disagree. In reality I don't expect we will ever return to "The Good Old Days" either. What I do expect is that in this day and age we should have a 1.) better control over our anger or 2.) have NASCAR impose stiffer penalties for the violation. For me a 1 lap penalty is nothing for a driver of the caliber of Stewart. He is good enough to recover from that. What if Edwards had spent 20 laps in the pits for repairs when it was not his fault. Stewart gets 1 lap for the violation and Edwards gets 20 laps for being an innocent bystander. I've seen this happen. The short of it is that the penalty is not stiff enough to curb the thought of retaliation.

Originally Posted by Wampinrock

Of all of the drivers on the track, few demonstrate the "good ol days" better than Tony...yes, he has the talent, and the team and the car...and the agressive competetive spirit that used to be common on the tracks...however, in this modern France (don't make it too dangerous for the pretty boys out ther) mentality, he stands out as a black sheep, when I see him as a hold-over from those days that I used to sit in the bleachers of the local dirt track and cheer on the fellow that demonstrated the guts and the determination to get to the checkers first...I say a ton of that during the nine years I announced at all of the tracks in Alaska...they were actually viewed as heros...'cause they tried to win the race...what a concept!

He is one of the "Black Sheep" today just because of how he reacts initially to the violation and how he defends his actions after the race. No he isn't the only one to do what he does. He is just the best at it. When he starts admitting to his violations he might not be such a "Black Sheep". The sad part is he (in my opinion) has already created an irreversable image and now must live with it. It could go away but it will take years of being a good guy for me. I tried to accept his "change" from a couple years ago but when Daytona '06 rolled around it proved to me and others that the real Tony was back. Poop on anger management classes !!!

Originally Posted by Wampinrock

I still feel badly about Edwards...he is also a very good driver. As a P.S.: what happened to Spencer? Is this the first race he did not take someone out?

I believe he finished 37th and surprisingly he didn't cause an accident but on the cool down lap he did run into Hamlin and put a big donut on the side of the 11 car. It's just in his blood to hit someone.

[KENVOL]

Originally Posted by indyNASCARgirl

I'll be at that race, want me to throw something at his car?

How about a nail bar like Police use to stop people.

[24/8/48fan]

Just hang a donut on a string, he CAN'T resist.