[WVGrandma4Kasey]

I can't format the current standings so that I could post them here so I'm giving y'all a link FOX Sports - Nextel Cup - Standings 7/16/06

While checking the standing, I was once again reminded that a driver does not have to win a race to be in the top ten in points. I can not see how someone could be a champion and never win, please do not explain the point system to me, I do understand points. Not only have they not won but have few top 5 finishes. I think what I really want to know is if anyone else feels as I do. This point system stinks. It does not determine a champion. How would you change it? And still keep the Chase. I like the chase, makes it more exciting.

[TN_Gal]

Its the DNF's that put you lower on the list.

[3wide]

Originally Posted by WVGrandma4Kasey

I can't format the current standings so that I could post them here so I'm giving y'all a link FOX Sports - Nextel Cup - Standings 7/16/06

While checking the standing, I was once again reminded that a driver does not have to win a race to be in the top ten in points. I can not see how someone could be a champion and never win, please do not explain the point system to me, I do understand points. Not only have they not won but have few top 5 finishes. I think what I really want to know is if anyone else feels as I do. This point system stinks. It does not determine a champion. How would you change it? And still keep the Chase. I like the chase, makes it more exciting.

Do this Nascar....Keep the points seperate for the chasers. Award them 10-1 points regardless of how they finish with the rest of the field. I'd also give 2 bonus points for a win. That would keep them close and fighting for wins til the end.

[Smoke842]

Frustrating, Gma! More points to winners, 30 points add'l, I think. But...when Ryan Newman won 12 races a few yrs back, should he have won the Cup that year? No I don't think so. Especially after today, him and Stewart tangling.So I'm having a debate with myself. Good question...

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by WVGrandma4Kasey

I can't format the current standings so that I could post them here so I'm giving y'all a link FOX Sports - Nextel Cup - Standings 7/16/06

While checking the standing, I was once again reminded that a driver does not have to win a race to be in the top ten in points. I can not see how someone could be a champion and never win, please do not explain the point system to me, I do understand points. Not only have they not won but have few top 5 finishes. I think what I really want to know is if anyone else feels as I do. This point system stinks. It does not determine a champion. How would you change it? And still keep the Chase. I like the chase, makes it more exciting.

I remember in 1996 Terry Labonte won his second championship and won only 2 races. After the finale in Atlanta Benny Parsons put it real simply, Consistancy, Consistancy, Consistancy.

[Quality88]

In order to win in TODAYS nascar, you must finish consistently, sure winning 12 races is good, but if you DNF 6 times, your screwed. I would rather see those guys put it all on the line and race hard as hell all the time and not sandbag.

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

I remember in 1996 Terry Labonte won his second championship and won only 2 races. After the finale in Atlanta Benny Parsons put it real simply, Consistancy, Consistancy, Consistancy.

That I can understand, Terry was a winner twice, I don't think thats a small feat. He was a champion. To be a champion and never win is possible with the way the chase is now set up. I find that wrong.

[Dupont4five]

Jeff Burton has 0 wins, makes me think, but then I found out he has finished in the top 15 every race since Texas, thats pretty dang good, pretty consistant.

[24/8/48fan]

Being consistent is great, however for a champion to be a champion there usually has to be that defining moment when everyone knows, "yeah this guy is it." In all other sports being consistantly "good" is not enough, you've got to be great. That shows a true champion.

[Lefty Noob]

Personally, if you ask me, I think you should have to have a Cup win under your belt to be eligible for the Chase. I don't see how, in any sport, you can be eligible for a playoff if you can't win on the smaller stage, no matter how many top 5s or top 10s you have during the year. Just my $0.02, though.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Personally, if you ask me, I think you should have to have a Cup win under your belt to be eligible for the Chase. I don't see how, in any sport, you can be eligible for a playoff if you can't win on the smaller stage, no matter how many top 5s or top 10s you have during the year. Just my $0.02, though.

Make the Chase only drivers who have won in the season...... That is a cool idea. It could cause either a whole lot more wrecks and exciting finishes ... or a whole lot of sandbagging and heavy eyelids.

[LSC9901]

Well this is and can be a hot topic. Number 1 is that our scoring system is different from most other sports. In baseball you get a win by beating the other team. In our sport we reward every team at every race. The size of the reward differs. We are not a win/loss sport. We have degrees of win or loss depending how you view it. Is the point system flawed ? In my opinion YES !! Not sure how I would change it. If you are going to keep competition close then you need to keep the points awarded somewhat close or you have the possibility of a true run away.

With the way our system is it does allow for a driver to never win, yet claim a championship title. If you finish in the top 5 all the time then your chances are good. As was already noted a DNF or two can really damage your chances even if you have a number of wins. Tony isn't one of my favorites but when he runs good he runs great. When he gets taken out that pretty much negates all his hard driving efforts.

To me the chase is poison. I didn't like it in the beginning and I dislike it even more now. I may be wrong but to me it seems like there has been much more fighting among teams than there ever was in previous years. I am never at fault for an incident but the other guy is an inexperienced idiot who is forever in the way creating problems. Revamp the points system, junk the chase and get rid of the WWF mentality.

[24/8/48fan]

Another byproduct of the chase system is you can have a points leader that knocks off two or three wins early and then all he really has to do is keep his nose clean the rest of the way and finish in the top 15 or so. I'm a Jimmie Johnson fan, but lately I don't see him giving 100% He plays it smart, and I'm not knocking him at all. The circumstances have changed and he has adapted to the system. They had to change hockey when teams just sat on the lead they had and played crappy trap-style defense, I just see bad things happening to a NASCAR in a time when they could really jump into the forefront.....I'll stop now, sorry.

[3wide]

Originally Posted by 24/8/48fan

Another byproduct of the chase system is you can have a points leader that knocks off two or three wins early and then all he really has to do is keep his nose clean the rest of the way and finish in the top 15 or so. I'm a Jimmie Johnson fan, but lately I don't see him giving 100% He plays it smart, and I'm not knocking him at all. The circumstances have changed and he has adapted to the system. They had to change hockey when teams just sat on the lead they had and played crappy trap-style defense, I just see bad things happening to a NASCAR in a time when they could really jump into the forefront.....I'll stop now, sorry.

good point

[wardfan]

I think the easiest way to start fixing the points system is to grant more points for a win. With basicly a 5 point difference between 1st & 2nd then it makes it easy to win a championship without a win. What with 5 points bonus for leading a lap and 5 for most laps the 2nd place car could earn as many points as the winner. If you say gave 25 or 30 points or heck even 50 points for a win then I think there would be a big difference in the way they run. You would pretty much have to go for the win as opposed to just riding and settling for a good finish. Didn't Kenseth win his championship with just 1 win?