[Bob Tanner]

The following was in our local fish wrapper with Jenna Fryer's by-line:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...uto&id=3654078

Typical entertainment media rationale, "Spice it up," "Make it closer!"

The point system was broke only in the fact it rewarded consistency and not performance. Then the former Head Rule Maker, Brian France, tried to "Spice it up," with the silly playoff system, which is no better or worse than the old points system, only more confusing.

Look at CTS. The old system and virtually every year the points race is a nail biter. Professional stock car racing IS NOT analogous to stick&ball; it doesn't need a playoff.

"Spice it up..." Phhhhfffffttttt!!!!!

[jks812]

No matter what they do with the points system, the championship run will never be as exciting in cup as it is in the trucks. Because you'll still have cup drivers points racing. The trucks are more exciting and closer because they go for wins every week, not points. They've got it figured out that if you win races you get more points, something cup drivers just can't seem to figure out.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by jks812

No matter what they do with the points system, the championship run will never be as exciting in cup as it is in the trucks. Because you'll still have cup drivers points racing. The trucks are more exciting and closer because they go for wins every week, not points. They've got it figured out that if you win races you get more points, something cup drivers just can't seem to figure out.

OK, riddle me this, Batperson...
Why is it that race fans can see this as palin as the fake eye lashes on Brittany Spears' face, but NA__AR ignores it?

[oncea3fan]

hey let leave brit outta this

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

OK, riddle me this, Batperson...
Why is it that race fans can see this as palin as the fake eye lashes on Brittany Spears' face, but NA__AR ignores it?

Because they can't admit that the truck series have better and smarter drivers than the cup series does.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

The following was in our local fish wrapper with Jenna Fryer's by-line:
ESPN - In The Pits: Spice up Chase with new points system - Auto

Typical entertainment media rationale, "Spice it up," "Make it closer!"

The point system was broke only in the fact it rewarded consistency and not performance. Then the former Head Rule Maker, Brian France, tried to "Spice it up," with the silly playoff system, which is no better or worse than the old points system, only more confusing.

Look at CTS. The old system and virtually every year the points race is a nail biter. Professional stock car racing IS NOT analogous to stick&ball; it doesn't need a playoff.

"Spice it up..." Phhhhfffffttttt!!!!!

My dear old friend your forgettin the big difference between Cup and CTS... the CTS boys know how, will, and love to race and not just drive around the dang track. The only cup person who does this is Kyle Busch.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Quality88

My dear old friend your forgettin the big difference between Cup and CTS... the CTS boys know how, will, and love to race and not just drive around the dang track. The only cup person who does this is Kyle Busch.

I didn't forget. But... the prima donnas in Cup didn't get to this level by "points racing" their way through whatever channels they took to get to where they are. They actually D-R-O-V-E (OK, I can think of two or three who got to where they are because of their dad or because daddy bought them a ride; they're the rare exception). They still shows brief glances of superb driving ability. But they're so concerned with points racing that when a driver like Johnson gets on a hot streak. they don't try and counter it with wins of their own. They stay in a prevent defense and and concentrate of just getting enough points to stay close, thus letting the streaker get away.

They guys didn't forget how to drive to win; they just don't do it unless the risk is minimal. Awhile back someone started a thread entitled "The Fans Don't Deserve This," or something to that effect. As far as Cup Race fans go, we sure don't. Which is why I found something constructive to do Sunday afternoon but made sure I was in front of the screen Saturday.

It's the emphasis on the Playoff, the Cup and the money and media hype involved which is playing a big part in ruining the racing in NA__AR.

[onearmsteve]

NASCAR should keep the current structure except award 300 points for wins in the Chase.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by onearmsteve

NASCAR should keep the current structure except award 300 points for wins in the Chase.

I'm having brain flatulence. Which 300 points?

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I didn't forget. But... the prima donnas in Cup didn't get to this level by "points racing" their way through whatever channels they took to get to where they are. They actually D-R-O-V-E (OK, I can think of two or three who got to where they are because of their dad or because daddy bought them a ride; they're the rare exception). They still shows brief glances of superb driving ability. But they're so concerned with points racing that when a driver like Johnson gets on a hot streak. they don't try and counter it with wins of their own. They stay in a prevent defense and and concentrate of just getting enough points to stay close, thus letting the streaker get away.

They guys didn't forget how to drive to win; they just don't do it unless the risk is minimal. Awhile back someone started a thread entitled "The Fans Don't Deserve This," or something to that effect. As far as Cup Race fans go, we sure don't. Which is why I found something constructive to do Sunday afternoon but made sure I was in front of the screen Saturday.

It's the emphasis on the Playoff, the Cup and the money and media hype involved which is playing a big part in ruining the racing in NA__AR.

I grovel at your feet and beg forgiveness for doubtin you ..... but it did bring a hell of a post.

[onearmsteve]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I'm having brain flatulence. Which 300 points?

the 300 points go to the winner.

i'm not saying it has to be that drastic but winning first and foremost should mean something. and secondly, winning in the Chase should mean even more. award the winners enough points to force teams to go all out all 10 weeks. i think they should make the regular season wins worth 50 Chase bonus points.

but they'll keep the same 'regular' structure and Chase format because it makes for a good story to qualify for the Chase and then Jimmie Johnson, who has been riding around most of the year, will step on it and run away from everybody. he should have won 3 or 4 of these things by now.

[LSC9901]

Another theory about points racing, to possibly ponder. Does Dupont want to see Jeff go all out for 160 of 500 miles/laps or whatever, or do they want to see him at the beginning, middle and end of the race ?? How heavily do sponsors weigh in when it comes to racing for points ??

[Souporscotty]

Stop me if I've said this before; 3 points for first, 2 points for second, 1 point for third. No other points for ANYTHING. The DRIVER with the most points wins. No matter what car he's in (WTF is with OWNER points? You get points for writing checks?) IMSVHO the only result that matters is who crosses the finish line first. What difference does it make who led the most laps? (Except the last)

[saltysenior]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I didn't forget. But... the prima donnas in Cup didn't get to this level by "points racing" their way through whatever channels they took to get to where they are. They actually D-R-O-V-E (OK, I can think of two or three who got to where they are because of their dad or because daddy bought them a ride; they're the rare exception). They still shows brief glances of superb driving ability. But they're so concerned with points racing that when a driver like Johnson gets on a hot streak. they don't try and counter it with wins of their own. They stay in a prevent defense and and concentrate of just getting enough points to stay close, thus letting the streaker get away.

They guys didn't forget how to drive to win; they just don't do it unless the risk is minimal. Awhile back someone started a thread entitled "The Fans Don't Deserve This," or something to that effect. As far as Cup Race fans go, we sure don't. Which is why I found something constructive to do Sunday afternoon but made sure I was in front of the screen Saturday.

It's the emphasis on the Playoff, the Cup and the money and media hype involved which is playing a big part in ruining the racing in NA__AR.

you say 2 or three that you can think of that got there[a ride] because of money???? i can fill a 43 car field w/ drivers who started w/ a financial advantage...unfortunately this problem also shows up at the local bullrings too. the sad part as you know,many REAL good drivers never get a chance to have the equipment the well off have......let's start a thead about what drivers started w/ a car owned by a well off parent...

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Souporscotty

Stop me if I've said this before; 3 points for first, 2 points for second, 1 point for third. No other points for ANYTHING. The DRIVER with the most points wins. No matter what car he's in (WTF is with OWNER points? You get points for writing checks?) IMSVHO the only result that matters is who crosses the finish line first. What difference does it make who led the most laps? (Except the last)

While the most laps lead isn't a big deal it is an incentive to actually race and isn't that what we all want to see anyway ? It is racing for points but it's for extra points instead of being happy to end up in 10th place.