[GrimlockAutobot]

The way NASCAR penalizes drivers and temas for rough driving, cheating, etc. is way too light if you ask me.

WTS something occurred to me. What would be the penalty in today's NASCAR for the Yarborough-Allison pay-per-view? What would NASCAR do to them in this day and age? Also, what was the penalty they recieved back then?

This question came up because I asked myself what would've happened if Edwards and Busch had duked it out Yarborough-Allison style after Saturday's race. Granted Busch probably would've recieved all of the punishment right then and there because Edwards is alot bigger and Busch is a bit of a "string-bean". Busch probably would've recieved a "wood-shed whoopin'"

But that's getting off topic. What would NASCAR have done to Yarborough and the Allisons if they had drove (and fought) today? What was their punishment then?

THANKS for posting!!

[Robertdjr]

I believe they were fined $6,000 and put on 6 months probation. The fines were to be paid $1000 a race for 5 races and the additional $1000 was to be put into the point fund. Nobody's ever said whether the money was ever paid or not. When asked about this and suspensions, Bill France, Jr said: "Suspensions? Fines? Hell, I should be giving those boys a bonus."

I really don't know what NASCAR would do to them today for "actions detrimental to stock car racing" since they're so inconsistent about rule enforcement, and sadly, nothing is like it used to be.

[saltysenior]

they would be fined thousands of dollars and put on probation for the rest of the year........but after the season they would have to make a 2mos. expense free trip to some far out islands on 2 of the frances' yachts.....

[Loki309]

Originally Posted by salysenior

they would be fined thousands of dollars and put on probation for the rest of the year........but after the season they would have to make a 2mos. expense free trip to some far out islands on 2 of the frances' yachts.....

Something tells me your not to far off...

[Bob Tanner]

You're assuming a lot to pose the scenario that any of these vanilla-flavoured, corporate apple-polishing primadonnas would have the cajoñes to actually slug one of his peers? I can think of possibly three or four your would have the audacity to take the first swing. The rest? They might swing in self defense only but they would probably end up being in a little hissy shoving match ala Jeffie-Pooh and Kenseth last season.

The fact that there are so few current drivers in the mold of Cale or Bobby and Donnie Allison makes your proposal practically moot.

But, If by some miracle it were to come about, one thing your can bet your bippy on that would NOT happen. that would be having the drivers in question sit out a race or more (unless the fight involved a couple of the back markers. Then you might see a race expulsion, but if one of the "stars" threw a punch? Not in this lifetime.

[Mindwarp]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I can think of possibly three or four your would have the audacity to take the first swing.

Hmmm, let's see if I'm close to your picks Bob

1- JPM definately would slug someone I think
2- Smoke also
3- Jeff Burton (if pushed far enough, maybe?)

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Mindwarp

Hmmm, let's see if I'm close to your picks Bob

1- JPM definately would slug someone I think
2- Smoke also
3- Jeff Burton (if pushed far enough, maybe?)

Naaw. A decade ago maybe, but Jeff is the unofficial NA__AR "Boy," these days, looking at everything through "The Big Picture." Big Picture people aren't prone to physical violence. They're looking farther down the road.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. But sometimes it just does a person good to get physical. Sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

JPM possibly.

Smoke talks a good game but the only people I've seen him get physical with are media cameramen (that's a plus in my book) and USAC officials (wiped out all the pluses from the media hack confrontations). When it comes to actual fisticuffs I think Tony might let his mouth do the brawling.

The one guy I wouldn't want to see fly off the handle would be Newman. That guy's a tank! He can probably bench press Ohio! IF he ever went off he'd probably just grab the entire pit area and toss out those who hadn't offended him. It could get fugly.

I'd replace Jeff on the list with either Kevin or Biffle. Harvick definately. I still recall the day he jumped over a car to body slam Biffle after a Cup Lite race.

Mikey would also IF the other guy were strapped in his car (Musgrave at Martinsville in...? 1998?)

But, bottom line is that in today's NA__AR there just ain't no Flock Brothers, Allison Brothers, Cale's, Joe Weatherly's or Junior Johnson's. That makes NA__AR very, very, very happy.

[saltysenior]

IMO.....i believe with the mental strain a driver has during a race,a crash, or altercation during a race.....anyone is capable of losing it and throwing a punch.........outside the track they call it ''road rage''..and they use guns!!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by salysenior

IMO.....i believe with the mental strain a driver has during a race,a crash, or altercation during a race.....anyone is capable of losing it and throwing a punch.........outside the track they call it ''road rage''..and they use guns!!

But, outside they don't have personal "handlers," corporate responsibility, and they're dealing with strangers, not guys they compete against,on a personal level each week.

I think frustration might, and probably will, cause one to stamp his foot, say inflammatory things and possibly on rare occasions, push or lay on hands in some minor way. But to actually throw a punch or a kick aimed at the face, solar plexus or groin, like you might see in some C&W bar around closing time? Not these guys. Never happen

[onearmsteve]

i actually find it incredibly silly and kind of juvenile when people talk about who can beat up who outside of the car/race track. yes, tempers flare, but like Bob said, most of these guys are a lot better at running their mouth than they are their fists.

i personally don't like the fighting simply because it takes away from what happens on the track, during the race. let's talk about who can beat who ON the track, where they award points, championships, and money.

and it takes a coward to to take a swipe at somebody while they're still in their race car.

i don't know if you all remember the NEXTEL commercial with Sadler a few years ago where he's giving Johnson a few tips about driving. Jimmie then uses his NEXTEL (the point of the commercial) to interrupt Sadler to have somebody bring him the Cup trophy. Jimmie then turns to Sadler and says something to the effect of, continue on, at which point Sadler walks away. i love the point of that commercial. it's always about what goes on at the race track, on the race track.

Paul Tracy is the only guy i've seen, recently, with the stones to take a swipe at a guy outside of the car. even then, i think they both might have still had their helemets on.

[Team Yates]

Originally Posted by onearmsteve

i actually find it incredibly silly and kind of juvenile when people talk about who can beat up who outside of the car/race track. yes, tempers flare, but like Bob said, most of these guys are a lot better at running their mouth than they are their fists.

i personally don't like the fighting simply because it takes away from what happens on the track, during the race. let's talk about who can beat who ON the track, where they award points, championships, and money.

and it takes a coward to to take a swipe at somebody while they're still in their race car.

i don't know if you all remember the NEXTEL commercial with Sadler a few years ago where he's giving Johnson a few tips about driving. Jimmie then uses his NEXTEL (the point of the commercial) to interrupt Sadler to have somebody bring him the Cup trophy. Jimmie then turns to Sadler and says something to the effect of, continue on, at which point Sadler walks away. i love the point of that commercial. it's always about what goes on at the race track, on the race track.

Paul Tracy is the only guy i've seen, recently, with the stones to take a swipe at a guy outside of the car. even then, i think they both might have still had their helemets on.

I really don't like that commercial, I think it makes Johnson look like the rude, arrogant SOB I already thought that is he!! I already don't like him, so that commercial is really bad for him, in my eyes.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by Team Yates

I really don't like that commercial, I think it makes Johnson look like the rude, arrogant SOB I already thought that is he!! I already don't like him, so that commercial is really bad for him, in my eyes.

Agreed about the commercial.

[onearmsteve]

until somebody beats him, he is the champ.

if the other drivers don't like it perhaps they should try beating him on the race track.

[Phils20]

Being the champ doesn't have to mean being a jerk.

I know that in todays world, where arrogance rules, that might be a cool attitude, but I think it sucks.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Being the champ doesn't have to mean being a jerk.

I know that in todays world, where arrogance rules, that might be a cool attitude, but I think it sucks.

He learned it from his part owner. JMO