[Measure]

Am I correct in recalling that Johnson's win was also a fuel-milage situation?

So the only two wins by a Hendrick team this year were fuel-milage races?

I'd hate to face off against them if the situation comes up again this season... maybe it's a factor of their horsepower being a tad lower than the 'yotas?

Danica Patrick wins on fuel milage... it was just a fuel milage race.

Jr wins a on fuel milage... he earned it.

Why do I get these mixed signals from NASCAR reporters?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Measure

Am I correct in recalling that Johnson's win was also a fuel-milage situation?

So the only two wins by a Hendrick team this year were fuel-milage races?

I'd hate to face off against them if the situation comes up again this season... maybe it's a factor of their horsepower being a tad lower than the 'yotas?

Danica Patrick wins on fuel milage... it was just a fuel milage race.

Jr wins a on fuel milage... he earned it.

Why do I get these mixed signals from NASCAR reporters?

If you're referring to any one of the village idiots, most of their signals come from and go to outer space. They don't have a clue. Babbling is what they do best.

[kcoruol]

End fuel milage races Now!

Manditory fuel stop at 10 laps to go.

Everybody must stop for a full load, then enter back on track at the same position they left with a 2 lap caution.

At 8 laps to go no more yellow flags permitted, no more yellow flags under 8 laps for some one who stops at the top of the track, spins into the dirt, or for a candy wrapper on the track.

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Along with the fuel mileage, what's up with the tires?
A new set of tires puts you in front of the pack for a few laps then you start drifting back while someone else with tires a few laps newer passes you by.

[BiscuitMan]

Originally Posted by Measure

Am I correct in recalling that Johnson's win was also a fuel-milage situation?

So the only two wins by a Hendrick team this year were fuel-milage races?

I'd hate to face off against them if the situation comes up again this season... maybe it's a factor of their horsepower being a tad lower than the 'yotas?

Danica Patrick wins on fuel milage... it was just a fuel milage race.

Jr wins a on fuel milage... he earned it.

Why do I get these mixed signals from NASCAR reporters?

Measure, "fuel mileage races" may not be the proper term here.

Most of these races that are called "fuel mileage races" acutually have been decided by the shortest time spent in the pits.

So, maybe we should refer to them as "reduced time in the pits race".

[vincesanity82]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

End fuel milage races Now!

Manditory fuel stop at 10 laps to go.

Everybody must stop for a full load, then enter back on track at the same position they left with a 2 lap caution.

At 8 laps to go no more yellow flags permitted, no more yellow flags under 8 laps for some one who stops at the top of the track, spins into the dirt, or for a candy wrapper on the track.

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Along with the fuel mileage, what's up with the tires?
A new set of tires puts you in front of the pack for a few laps then you start drifting back while someone else with tires a few laps newer passes you by.

why?? I dont understand why people keep complaining about a fuel mileage win, who cares? its a freaking win..

[Lefty Noob]

Mandatory pit stops with 10 laps to go? Don't like the idea.
The cars are already too cookie cutter for my taste. Don't take away pit strategy and further limit what crew chiefs can do!

[Bassdogs]

Required fuel stops w/ 10 to go??? Who are you trying to kid??? How about rest room stops or 15 minute naps so that someone doesn't win or lose because someone was too tired to continue?

Races have a distance that is well documented before the start. Green/White checkers make this a little of a moving target, but all teams know where the win will be awarded. You don't get any points for how much gas is left in the tank at the end. Fumes or xx gallons at the end is not factored in to the final scoring. Those teams who better manage the race, typically put themselves in a positon to challenge for the win. I'm at a loss as to why these kinds of wins are questioned any more than yellow flags in the closing laps that steal a victory from a dominate car.

[LSC9901]

I believe it is a topic of discussion because Jr (76 non winning races) and his team made a decision (fuel) to stay out. How many times has this strategy won a race ? How many times has fuel strategy come back to bite you and you lose a race.

Kyle Petty won a rain shortened race as did Jeff Burton (I believe) and I'm sure several others. I don't track nor do I care about those stats. I'm sure they're out there somewhere.

After this weekends race we'll not be talking about this .... unless someone squeezes the fuel tank again.

Maybe we should be thankful that some teams are conserving fuel. How much more would we be paying at the pump if they just kept, needlessly, filling those gas tanks ?????

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by vincesanity82

why?? I dont understand why people keep complaining about a fuel mileage win, who cares? its a freaking win..

Because to most a race is about the fastest car! Or a side by side battle.

Some kind of drama other than which one of these cars ,limping around the track trying to save gas will make it!

Granted, a win is a win.

I was at Dover when my driver won a fuel Mileage race, and it made me happy to see him win.

But, to be honest, it didn't make for a good race, just a good ending for me.

Therein lies the issue, I think.

The Craven/Busch battle years ago was a great ending, no matter who you root for.

A MPG win is fun for no one other than fans of that driver. If I wanted strategy, I'd watch chess.

I want to see racing! Just my opinion!

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by Bassdogs

Required fuel stops w/ 10 to go??? Who are you trying to kid??? How about rest room stops or 15 minute naps so that someone doesn't win or lose because someone was too tired to continue?

Races have a distance that is well documented before the start. Green/White checkers make this a little of a moving target, but all teams know where the win will be awarded. You don't get any points for how much gas is left in the tank at the end. Fumes or xx gallons at the end is not factored in to the final scoring. Those teams who better manage the race, typically put themselves in a positon to challenge for the win. I'm at a loss as to why these kinds of wins are questioned any more than yellow flags in the closing laps that steal a victory from a dominate car.

I can agree with that. As much as I dislike MPG faces at the end, I don't want any more rules involved in racing!

Sometimes you are just going to get a race won this way.

And as much as I may not like it, I don't want any rules in place to prevent it either!

[casa]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Because to most a race is about the fastest car! Or a side by side battle.

Some kind of drama other than which one of these cars ,limping around the track trying to save gas will make it!

Granted, a win is a win.

I was at Dover when my driver won a fuel Mileage race, and it made me happy to see him win.

But, to be honest, it didn't make for a good race, just a good ending for me.

Therein lies the issue, I think.

The Craven/Busch battle years ago was a great ending, no matter who you root for.

A MPG win is fun for no one other than fans of that driver. If I wanted strategy, I'd watch chess.

I want to see racing! Just my opinion!

I think NASCAR is like any other sport. Some are going to be exciting and some are going to be a bit boring. I definitely want to see the side by side exciting ending but I know that all races will not be that way. I think strategy is going to be a part of NASCAR as it is a part of most other sports. In a fuel strategy situation we are ok with it if our driver wins and if it is some other driver we don't like it. It's just all part of the sport.

[LSC9901]

The "fuel mileage" scenario is played out in most sports every day but we have just grown to accept it. Why is it that most baseball pitchers pitch only 7 innings even when they are winning ? At the end of a football game the winning team generally will not throw a pass. In basketball they will consume the 24 second clock. In all of those sports, and in our very own NASCAR, we want to see excitement right down to the wire but strategy is and always be a part of the game.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

End fuel milage races Now!

Manditory fuel stop at 10 laps to go.

Everybody must stop for a full load, then enter back on track at the same position they left with a 2 lap caution.

At 8 laps to go no more yellow flags permitted, no more yellow flags under 8 laps for some one who stops at the top of the track, spins into the dirt, or for a candy wrapper on the track.

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Along with the fuel mileage, what's up with the tires?
A new set of tires puts you in front of the pack for a few laps then you start drifting back while someone else with tires a few laps newer passes you by.

Like you I dislike fuel mileage races. They are long on strategy and drama. Unfortunately, many of they are short on racing.

As far as I'm concerned, if I want to watch strategy, I'll watch a chess match. If I want drama I'll watch a movie or read a good book.

That said, there's nothing we can, or should do. Fuel mileage races have been a fact of life since the first race was run when they had to use more than one tank of fuel. It's a necessary evil that we'll have to live with.


Do as I do and watch the CTS. How many fuel mileage races have they had in the past two years? One?

[Bassdogs]

While also not a fan of fuel milage races, I am even more in amazement by the green/white/checker to make races more exciting for the fans. What anyone who has watched at least 2 races recently knows, is that being a dominant car or building a comfortable lead as the laps wind down, is of little value. 9 out of 10 times a yellow flys [usually caused by an out of the picture car] bunches up the field for a sprint to the finish. As a purist for racing, some call for a back "to the good old days" as a solution. I see the benefit in many of the changes implimented in the last 10 years, but the g/w/c is bad. Otherwise, if you don't have enough fuel, who's fault is that?

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Bassdogs

but the g/w/c is bad. Otherwise, if you don't have enough fuel, who's fault is that?

I don't have a problem with the g/w/c. At least with that they have a chance of finishing the race under green instead of yellow. As you said it happens often. So if the teams know it happens often and aren't prepared for it, then I would say it's the teams fault.