[jks812]

As far as I know all he done, besides winning so much, is that one race where, OMG he and Jr was racing for the lead and Jr wrecked.
I do think too that he's what the sport has needed.
Wasn't they booing Gordon last year when he was winning? So maybe thats what Kyle's doing that has them all upset, he's winning alot.

[loco4pablo]

Originally Posted by jks812

As far as I know all he done, besides winning so much, is that one race where, OMG he and Jr was racing for the lead and Jr wrecked.
I do think too that he's what the sport has needed.
Wasn't they booing Gordon last year when he was winning? So maybe thats what Kyle's doing that has them all upset, he's winning alot.

No last year they were booin' JPM!

[jks812]

Originally Posted by loco4pablo

No last year they were booin' JPM!

True, I had forgotten that.

[oncea3fan]

WHat goes around comes around, if the fans don't like it then maybe they shouldn't boo him.

it's then throwing on a fake smile and pretending all is good.

and yes he is laughing all the way to the bank!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by loco4pablo

Do you think Kurt Bush is loving this or hating this? Last year he was the bad guy,now he is a nobody

And what did Kyle ever do to ☻☻☻☻ off so many people?

Have you noticed that since Kurt has attempted to clean up his image (became almost sickeningly PC, less aggression on the track, had his ears cropped to make him look prettier) his amount of success has declined?

Kyle ☻☻☻☻ed people off by saying what he was thinking, no filtering involved. His making statements like this goes back to one of my sayings: "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you mad."

[kcoruol]

Personally I don't boo any driver, no; not even Tony Stewart.

I think what he said about the booing fans was pretty funny. I'm sure when 75% of the audiance is booing him and then he goes on to win the race I think it's just dessert. Especially when the fans boo'd him at Darlington on Mother's Day and they Boo'd him at Eldora where he and others who got boo'd volunteered their time and money for charity.

Let's face it he gets crucified for doing or saying stuff that other drivers do all the time and never get called for. Well, unless you cross the line and bump DEJ.

I'd love to see him come out during driver introductions wearing a black cape and black cowboy hat.

But then this is America where what ever comes out of your mouth is protected by the Constitution. Throwing beer cans at him or onto the track really isn't Constitutionally protected.

Soon, NASCAR will ban all containers at these events except for the paper cups provided by the vendors at the venue. Who knows, drunken behavior might be the next bannable behavior by banning alcohol at events. It's only a matter of time or somebody drunk enough to do something stupid enough to cause such a ban.

IMHO

[casa]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

WHat goes around comes around, if the fans don't like it then maybe they shouldn't boo him.

it's then throwing on a fake smile and pretending all is good.

and yes he is laughing all the way to the bank!

Kyle Bush's problem is that he was replaced by JR. and he can't stand it! I think he is a good driver but not a better driver than JR. If Jr. took the chances that Bush took and drove like an idiot I think he might have won some races also. Jr. chooses to be respectful and not expect people to move out of his way like Bush expected McMurray to do Sunday. Yep Busch is getting a good pay check but compare his earning to people like Johnson, Gordon and Jr. and see who is laughing all the way to the bank. I don't agree with booing anyone but Kyle asks for it. He antagonizes the crowd and he should not expect any better. He can win all the races he wants but when you have no class and no tack most of the fans with class will not like you.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by casa

Kyle Bush's problem is that he was replaced by JR. and he can't stand it! I think he is a good driver but not a better driver than JR. If Jr. took the chances that Bush took and drove like an idiot I think he might have won some races also. Jr. chooses to be respectful and not expect people to move out of his way like Bush expected McMurray to do Sunday. Yep Busch is getting a good pay check but compare his earning to people like Johnson, Gordon and Jr. and see who is laughing all the way to the bank. I don't agree with booing anyone but Kyle asks for it. He antagonizes the crowd and he should not expect any better. He can win all the races he wants but when you have no class and no tack most of the fans with class will not like you.

hmmm .. I wonder...

Kyle drove the CarQuest/Kellogs #5 Chevy for Hendrick Motorsports last year, now Casey Mears drives it. So, how did Jr. replace Kyle? Jr. has none of the sponsors Kyle had at Hendrick, a different crew chief, car number and probably not many, if any, of Kyle's crew. I'm baffled how what happened in personnel turnover at Hendrick can be construed as Jr replacing Kyle. But then I'm not as smart as I once thought I was.

How about let's look at Kyle's gnawing jealousy. While at Hendrick, Kyle won a total of 4 races over 3 full and 1 partial season, averaging 10 top 5's for the full seasons; at no time during those three seasons did he ever lead the points race. So far this season he has 4 wins (in less than half of the season) 9 top 5's, and has been the points leader most of the season to date. Not only that, he's had 2 poles this season, matching his total record at HMS. Yeah, I'd be wanting to go back to HMS too! NOT!

If Jr. chooses to be so respectful of the other drivers, why hasn't he chastized his fans for throwing beer cans at other drivers on the track. And why would he turn down an invitation to drive in the Prelude .. even Jimmy Johnson said he tried to get him to go. Could it be because he wasn't going to get paid? (I'm only repeating what I've heard...but it makes you wonder.)

You're right, though. JJ, JG, and DEJ all bring in bigger paychecks than Kyle. 'Course they've all been in the league longer than him, have more wins than him, and 2 of the 3 have multiple Cup championships. But then Kyle just turned 23 years old while Jr is a few months away from his 34th, JJ will turn 33 a month before Jr's birthday, and JG will turn 37 a month before that. Maybe we ought to wait for Shrub to catch up on the age thing before we start comparing these apples and oranges...

I learned a long time ago that winners always get booed. It goes with the territory. Unlike Jr, Kyle has energized the 2008 NASCAR season. And, for many people he stole Jr's thunder. Jealous of Jr? I think it's probably the other way around (though I believe the proper word is "envious", not "jealous".)

Whether you like either or neither of the two, the fact is both are having their best season in Cup to date. So maybe the move was good for both of them, hmmmm?

[kcoruol]

Strictly my opinion with no basis in fact:

I don't think Kyle cares one way or another about working with HMS. I think he idolizes JG and JJ and probably more than anything would like to be considered their friends and to be professionally respected by them. I think he learned alot from them and can see it in his driving style. What other driver on the NASCAR circuit commands the boo's and beer can throwing than Kyle Busch? Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon, both of whom have made it to the top and really have nothing left to prove. I think Kyle is trying to make his way to the top through a grueling racing schedule and hard work. As far as DEJ goes, I don't think Kyle Busch cares about him one way or another, certainly there's nothing he can do to attain the status DEJ has because he will never be the son of DE or carry his name.

I don't think it's fair to say Kyle is trashing fans. He's pretty heavily boo'd which sure comes with the territory of being a winner not named DEJ. Let's face it, he enjoys rubbing their [the fans who boo him] faces in it by winning just as much as the fans enjoy watching him not win.

[DOF_power]

"Those fans" deserved it

[jks812]

Originally Posted by casa

Kyle Bush's problem is that he was replaced by JR. and he can't stand it! I think he is a good driver but not a better driver than JR. If Jr. took the chances that Bush took and drove like an idiot I think he might have won some races also. Jr. chooses to be respectful and not expect people to move out of his way like Bush expected McMurray to do Sunday. Yep Busch is getting a good pay check but compare his earning to people like Johnson, Gordon and Jr. and see who is laughing all the way to the bank. I don't agree with booing anyone but Kyle asks for it. He antagonizes the crowd and he should not expect any better. He can win all the races he wants but when you have no class and no tack most of the fans with class will not like you.

I don't agree that Kyle's problem is he was replaced by Jr. For one thing he's running so much better than he ever did at HMS. And another, since he's no longer at HMS he gets to have alittle personality.
If he's not a better driver than Jr, he's just as good.
You're right, maybe if Jr took a few chances he would win some races. Maybe he should try that.
How does Kyle ask to be booed? Maybe he does antagonize the crowd,now, ( I like the little bows), but thats not what started the booing.
I really don't think that the driver having class and tack means their fans will also. You've already said Jr is respectful and all that, but look at the majority of his fans, they are classless. Throwing crap at other drivers who beat Jr and booing drivers when their mom is on stage with them, is classless.

[PenelopePitStop]

Wow! You guys are killing me! What a plethora of opinions!

To be clear, whatever Shrub, or any other driver does for charity, is commendable.

As Sr. told Gordon, "Doesn't matter if the fans boo or cheer. As long as they're making noise." However, Shrub wants to be the villain and taunts the fans. Shove it in your face. Doesn't make him likeable.

Also to be clear, I'm not even taking into consideration when Shrub took out Jr. a few weeks ago. I think he's a punk, and nothing will change my mind. Can he drive? Sure. But he's a poor representation of the sport ... just like his brother.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Wow! You guys are killing me! What a plethora of opinions!

To be clear, whatever Shrub, or any other driver does for charity, is commendable.

As Sr. told Gordon, "Doesn't matter if the fans boo or cheer. As long as they're making noise." However, Shrub wants to be the villain and taunts the fans. Shove it in your face. Doesn't make him likeable.

Also to be clear, I'm not even taking into consideration when Shrub took out Jr. a few weeks ago. I think he's a punk, and nothing will change my mind. Can he drive? Sure. But he's a poor representation of the sport ... just like his brother.

I don't think Shrub "wants" to be the villain (not many people do), but, as oftentimes happens, you choose a particular path because it helps you reach your goal. And considering the drubbing he was getting while at Hendrick, why not exploit it? Like you quoted "...as long as they're making noise." There just aren't any "likable" villains.

His stock is skyrocketing and that's his goal.

However, Kyle has suffered from "spoiled brat" syndrome, just like his brother. But is that his fault? I think the blame for that must be laid at different feet.

It took Kurt a long time to realize the harm he was doing to himself, professionally, but he seems to be changing for the better. For some people, that change has come too late to erase the bad taste left in their mouth and that's understandable. But it's unfair to judge siblings as a single entity - they each deserve their own judgement based solely on their individual merits and faults. To my eyes, it appears Kyle is progressing faster into adulthood than his sibling.

I, too, have drivers I don't care for. But as I get older and mellower, I'm finding they do to... There's lots of "teenage punks" who turned into exceptional citizens after they grew up. So, I'm not gonna judge Shrub's worth as a person until he finishes "growing up." 'Til then I'm gonna enjoy his racing skill...

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I don't think Shrub "wants" to be the villain (not many people do), but, as oftentimes happens, you choose a particular path because it helps you reach your goal. And considering the drubbing he was getting while at Hendrick, why not exploit it? Like you quoted "...as long as they're making noise." There just aren't any "likable" villains.

His stock is skyrocketing and that's his goal.

However, Kyle has suffered from "spoiled brat" syndrome, just like his brother. But is that his fault? I think the blame for that must be laid at different feet.

It took Kurt a long time to realize the harm he was doing to himself, professionally, but he seems to be changing for the better. For some people, that change has come too late to erase the bad taste left in their mouth and that's understandable. But it's unfair to judge siblings as a single entity - they each deserve their own judgement based solely on their individual merits and faults. To my eyes, it appears Kyle is progressing faster into adulthood than his sibling.

I, too, have drivers I don't care for. But as I get older and mellower, I'm finding they do to... There's lots of "teenage punks" who turned into exceptional citizens after they grew up. So, I'm not gonna judge Shrub's worth as a person until he finishes "growing up." 'Til then I'm gonna enjoy his racing skill...

No disagreement here. As I stated several weeks ago, Kyle is not "seasoned" yet.

As for Kurt, I dislike him for very different reasons. Has nothing to do with his sibling. Love Jeff Burton, don't like Ward.

Kyle just really irked me with his comment about the fans. As if I didn't have enough reasons not to like him, he just added yet another. I'm sure that when he took out Jr., he didn't gain any fans, but I didn't like him long before that.

Also, Kyle, "Wild Thing," is getting so much attention, it drives me nuts! Last year it was Gordon/Johnson, now it's Kyle. Granted, Jr. also gets a lot of attention.

[kcoruol]

I think Kyle Busch would be a lot more likeable if he tried to be more like JJ or JG and less like Tony Stewart. But then what fun would nascar be without the Tony Stewarts and Kyle Busch's?