[gordon_fan_4_life]

ohhh, I see! Always noticed the unofficial thing, but never really checked the standings later on in the week! Still don't really understand a point in changing the driver standings even if you don't score any points, but oh well! So is that how the drivers w/o any points are listed? from 53rd on down...with 53rd being the person who has "attempted" to start the most races followed by the person with the 2nd most "attempted" starts which would be Trevor Boys and so on down the list? If that is the case, then why do they even list those people that have never attempted a race? Possibly they are planning on attempting some races which is why the list them in the standings? You have people such as Trevor Boys and Michael McDowell who have attemped a few races this year that have $0 earnings, then you have people like Norm Benning and Kelly Bires as examples that have not attemped any races, but yet they have earned $21,000+ so far! So many questions I have looking at the standings!

[gordon_fan_4_life]

Now I look at the Rookie point standings and it shows Dexter Bean who has made 0 starts and 0 attempts I believe,,,but he has 1 point? Do you automatically get 1 point being a rookie?

[Racer Duck]

To quote NASCAR:

Raybestos Rookie of the Year candidates earn points based on their best 17 finishes of the season. Points are earned through entry points, competition points based on finish, top 10 bonus points, bonus points based on three segments of the season and a panel of voters at the completion of the season.

Dexter Bean is sharing a ride (#51 - Black Jack Racing) with David Starr and Kelly Bires but failed to qualify at Las Vegas. That's why Dexter has 1 point.

[NascarPoolsOnline]

Originally Posted by gordon_fan_4_life

ohhh, I see! Always noticed the unofficial thing, but never really checked the standings later on in the week! Still don't really understand a point in changing the driver standings even if you don't score any points, but oh well! So is that how the drivers w/o any points are listed? from 53rd on down...with 53rd being the person who has "attempted" to start the most races followed by the person with the 2nd most "attempted" starts which would be Trevor Boys and so on down the list? If that is the case, then why do they even list those people that have never attempted a race? Possibly they are planning on attempting some races which is why the list them in the standings? You have people such as Trevor Boys and Michael McDowell who have attemped a few races this year that have $0 earnings, then you have people like Norm Benning and Kelly Bires as examples that have not attemped any races, but yet they have earned $21,000+ so far! So many questions I have looking at the standings!

They may have run in one of the Qualifying Duels at Daytona???

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by gordon_fan_4_life

So many questions I have looking at the standings!

Welcome to NA__ARWorld, gordon. What you describe has been a matter of discussion in this forum since I first arrived. To wit; Just EXACTLY what are the rules in NA__AR.

People always seem to be confused and have a multitude of questions on the standings, qualifying, winnings, engine rules, and substance abuse policy. Yet, how many of us have actually seen and read an official NA__AR Rule Book?

Official rules for the other major sports are readily available yet NA__AR...? They are available but not to the "unwashed masses," only to competitors and others who pay a hefty price for the publication.

I've heard the major reason NA__AR plays their rule book so close to the chest is that they don't want fans "second guessing" their decisions. If a sanctioning body's rule enforcement is so arbitrary and capricious that it can't stand the light of public scrutiny then...? You be the judge.

Rant Mode <<<OFF>>>

[MikeRaceDayTek]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I've heard the major reason NA__AR plays their rule book so close to the chest is that they don't want fans "second guessing" their decisions. If a sanctioning body's rule enforcement is so arbitrary and capricious that it can't stand the light of public scrutiny then...? You be the judge.

Rant Mode <<<OFF>>>

Actually, they don't have to "play it close" for that. With going to NTI, I've seen the NASCAR rule book. The "actions detrimental" rule kind of is a "catch all" for anyone who ****es off NASCAR. Basically, the exact wording on the rule is "Any actions deemed by a NASCAR official to be detrimental to the sport of stack car racing shall be penalized in a manner to be determined at the descretion of NASCAR."

They also don't really seem to care about public scrutiny, do they??

~Mike

[gordon_fan_4_life]

Originally Posted by MikeRaceDayTek

Actually, they don't have to "play it close" for that. With going to NTI, I've seen the NASCAR rule book. The "actions detrimental" rule kind of is a "catch all" for anyone who ****es off NASCAR. Basically, the exact wording on the rule is "Any actions deemed by a NASCAR official to be detrimental to the sport of stack car racing shall be penalized in a manner to be determined at the descretion of NASCAR."

They also don't really seem to care about public scrutiny, do they??

~Mike

Does the rule book really call it stAck car racing?

[MikeRaceDayTek]

Originally Posted by gordon_fan_4_life

Does the rule book really call it stAck car racing?

Yup . Either that or my keyboard broke. I'm practicing for when I work in NASCAR and can blame someone else for all my mistakes

[LSC9901]

So you actually have access to this mystical collection of rules ??

[gordon_fan_4_life]

Originally Posted by MikeRaceDayTek

Yup . Either that or my keyboard broke. I'm practicing for when I work in NASCAR and can blame someone else for all my mistakes

LOL! Of course it was the keyboard! You, along with NASCAR, just don't make mistakes!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by gordon_fan_4_life

LOL! Of course it was the keyboard! You, along with NASCAR, just don't make mistakes!

Be nice G-fan. Mike may be the new face of NASCAR soon !!!

[MikeRaceDayTek]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

So you actually have access to this mystical collection of rules ??

For some of our classes we had to. Example is all the fabrication classes. Also, most of the instructors there seem to be involved in racing in one form or another. If there are direct rule questions, I can try to look them up.

[gordon_fan_4_life]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Be nice G-fan. Mike may be the new face of NASCAR soon !!!

Well then...he is off to a good start!

[MikeRaceDayTek]

Originally Posted by gordon_fan_4_life

Well then...he is off to a good start!

Not yet, I occasionally take responsibility when I screw up, admit when I am wrong, and sometimes (only sometimes mind you) make sense when I am talking. Hopefully soon I will be totally brainwashed, and able to take a simple concept and make it as complex as possible.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by MikeRaceDayTek

Actually, they don't have to "play it close" for that. With going to NTI, I've seen the NASCAR rule book. The "actions detrimental" rule kind of is a "catch all" for anyone who ****es off NASCAR. Basically, the exact wording on the rule is "Any actions deemed by a NASCAR official to be detrimental to the sport of stack car racing shall be penalized in a manner to be determined at the descretion of NASCAR."

They also don't really seem to care about public scrutiny, do they??

~Mike

I see what you mean, Mike but Rule 12-4-A wasn't exactly what I had in mind. That's a rule like the Army UCMJ's Article 15 and just about every major organization has a rule something like that.

What I was specifically referring to was the ambitious way NA__AR publicizes its rules. For example, if NA__AR makes a rule impacting the competition and it favors one driver or team over, NA__AR can tell the public anything it desires with impunity.

What this does is to decrease NA__AR's credibility and to leave open speculation that NA__AR is possibly playing favourites. If the fans questioning a NA__AR decision have no access to the Rule Book, then... It's like getting into a high stakes card game and the other players tell you, "Just ante up and play your cards. We'll tell you whether you've won or lost."

But, this has been NASCAR's way of doing business since 1949 and I doubt if it'll change. Whether it's real or imagined, your statement: "They also don't really seem to care about public scrutiny, do they? just about says it all except for the addition "or the fans," after "scrutiny."