[Mindwarp]

Here's a question for the experts. Is there a rule in CASHCAR that states that a car entered for a race must be built in the USA?
I know the rule book is as mysterious as Santa Claus and flying saucers and no one has actually seen it, but is there such a rule that is known to exist?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mindwarp

Here's a question for the experts. Is there a rule in CASHCAR that states that a car entered for a race must be built in the USA?
I know the rule book is as mysterious as Santa Claus and flying saucers and no one has actually seen it, but is there such a rule that is known to exist?

NASCAR.COM - Argentina-based race team building Car of Tomorrow - Dec 6, 2007

This article is from 2007

[Mindwarp]

Thanks for that link, I really didn't know that about the CoT. However I think I need to reformulate my question as I meant the street version of the car. Do the rules state that in order to be eligible to become a brand in CASHCAR, that the production (street) version available to the public needs to be built in the USA?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mindwarp

Thanks for that link, I really didn't know that about the CoT. However I think I need to reformulate my question as I meant the street version of the car. Do the rules state that in order to be eligible to become a brand in CASHCAR, that the production (street) version available to the public needs to be built in the USA?

If it is now, it wasn't always. There have been some foreign brands way back in the early days. In 1954 All Keller won in a Jag

[Racer Duck]

I don't think "brands" are, or ever were, delineated by NASCAR. For a while in the 60's, 70's & 80's the rules only addressed American brands, however I don't think there was a rule that specifically prohibited non-American brands. (During that time many local short tracks instituted a rule which specified American made models only.) When NASCAR went to the "old" aerodynamic model the rules pretty much changed in that the manufacturer had to present NASCAR with body panels and engines for "approval" before they could be used. By then chassis had pretty much become custom built things out of race car shops and many "standard" racing parts began being used no matter what the brand (for instance, just about everybody uses the Ford 9" rear end.) By the time the COT was "designed", 'Yota had entered the scene and that pretty much precluded any "American-only" rule.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Mindwarp

Here's a question for the experts. Is there a rule in CASHCAR that states that a car entered for a race must be built in the USA?
I know the rule book is as mysterious as Santa Claus and flying saucers and no one has actually seen it, but is there such a rule that is known to exist?

Mysterious as...? How about "The book is so elusive that a copy of it was alledged to be used as a standin for the star in the play Phantom of the Opera?"

Now, in answer to your question, no. In fact, the Jaguar that Al Keller drove to victory at Linden, NJ in 1952 was built in England.

[DOF_power]

From the "NASCAR Fans: Be Careful When You Talk "tradition" " article:

All-American? Nope.
Sure, you say, but at least those were all American brands, since NASCAR has always been all-American, right?

Wrong. Check the lineup at NASCAR's first-ever road race in Linden, New Jersey, on June 13, 1954, on the grounds of the local airport. Yes, you had Lee Petty in a Dodge, Buck Baker in an Oldsmobile and Herb Thomas and Dick Rathmann in a pair of Hudsons. But the race was won by Al Keller in a Jaguar, and other brands in the 43-car field included Austin-Healey, MG, Porsche and even a Morgan. In all, 21 entries were foreign brands.

Fine, you say, but that was on a road course. NASCAR would never let foreign cars onto its oval tracks, right?

Wrong. The International 200 at Langhorne, Pennsylvania, was run on a 1-mile dirt oval track on June 21, 1953. There were six Jaguars — one was a fast qualifier — and there were a pair of Porsches, a Volkswagen and even an Aston Martin.
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Parnelli beats a Renault
But Linden and Langhorne weren't the last time foreigners raced at NASCAR. In the 1958 Crown America 500 NASCAR race at Riverside, California, a pair of Citroëns finished ahead of Parnelli Jones' Ford, though Parnelli did trounce a Renault.

In the now-defunct NASCAR Goody's Dash series, several foreign brands competed. That is, in fact, where Toyota started, before moving into the NASCAR Craftsman truck series, and now at the Nextel Cup level.

According to wikipedia:

"Four Camrys qualified for and ran in the 2007 Daytona 500, becoming the first foreign make to compete in a Sprint Cup race since the British-made MG in 1962."


Ofcourse you can hardly call these things Toyotas and they're designed by NASCAR and the chassis are build by the teams.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by DOF_power

From the "NASCAR Fans: Be Careful When You Talk "tradition" " article:



According to wikipedia:

"Four Camrys qualified for and ran in the 2007 Daytona 500, becoming the first foreign make to compete in a Sprint Cup race since the British-made MG in 1962."


Ofcourse you can hardly call these things Toyotas and they're designed by NASCAR and the chassis are build by the teams.

On the lighter side they are just as much Toyota as Chevy is Chevy. Possibly the decals were made in Japan ???

[Mindwarp]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

On the lighter side they are just as much Toyota as Chevy is Chevy. Possibly the decals were made in Japan ???

Good one! LOL.

[mccastle]

I have a question. Lee Spencer reported on Foxsports.com yesterday that Joey Logano will make his sprint cup debut at Richmond in September. JGR is not a 4 team operation. Will someone have to sit out to make a spot available for him (don't see Tony, Kyle, or Denny offering to do that) or is it that easy to enter a 4th car?

Carrie

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by mccastle

I have a question. Lee Spencer reported on Foxsports.com yesterday that Joey Logano will make his sprint cup debut at Richmond in September. JGR is not a 4 team operation. Will someone have to sit out to make a spot available for him (don't see Tony, Kyle, or Denny offering to do that) or is it that easy to enter a 4th car?

Carrie

yes and no.

I'm sure they already have a number (one of the more difficult things to get) and a car. If they don't already have team members, they can use NWS team people, so 'Yes" it's that easy.

The "No" comes in being able to put all the stuff together. Only an organization the caliber of JGR, RCR, HMS, DEI and a few others have the resources to do that. When you realize the average cup team consists of 50-100 people, 3-5 cars, and up to 1000 sq ft of shop space (this is for cars only and doesn't include test equipment/facilities like employee locker room, parts room, office space, 7-post, shock "lab", engine "lab", paint shop, etc.), it's not something that happens overnight.

[mccastle]

Why is it bad to be on pit road when a caution is thrown? Does the driver immediately go a lap down? I don't understand.

Thanks.

Carrie

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by mccastle

Why is it bad to be on pit road when a caution is thrown? Does the driver immediately go a lap down? I don't understand.

Thanks.

Carrie

"Immediately" - no, but the possibiity is there at most tracks. Often the driver creeping down pit road, or stopped in the pits, will get lapped. Opposite ends of tracks are as an example Bristol where laps are happening in the 16 second range (near sure to get lapped) and a road course where lap times are notably longer and drivers have a chance of getting out before being lapped.

At times you may see a driver enter pit road, a caution comes out near same time, and the driver will keep on going through the pits and back on to the track in an attempt to remain on the same lap he/she had been on.

[Loki309]

Question.

Can a driver own a team, and drive for an opposite team. (I know it seems like a silly question.)

Let me just throw a hypothetical situation out there. Say a slot of ownership opens up and Jeff Gordon wants to take it, but he still has 2 years left on his contract with HMS. Could he spend the rest of his contract with HMS and get his ownership opportunity? Or would he have to wait til he was done with HMS to look into ownership?

[mccastle]

Dale Sr drove for Richard Childress but Dale owned DEI at the same time.

Carrie