[NascarRacer56]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

People die everyday on the public roadways from accidents that are well under the speeds of pit road. I cannot see anywhere that it is OK to ram another car intentionally. I don't care how many safety features the NASCAR drivers have. The guys on pit road have virtually no protection other than the helmet.

I have seen guys on pit road without helmets during practice at Michigan Speedway.

Like the tire techs taking tire temps, etc.

Not to mention all of the fans lining up on the inside of the pit wall.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by NascarRacer56

I have seen guys on pit road without helmets during practice at Michigan Speedway.

Like the tire techs taking tire temps, etc.

Not to mention all of the fans lining up on the inside of the pit wall.

I was referring to the over the wall personell.

[dodging karma]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Wow. How can you not have a problem with it. I think you may need to reflect on that idea a bit more. This is not the first time Kurt has done this. And I really don't think he would have held back if there had been other cars there.

On top of the potential danger to other drivers and cars that are not involved in the issues, there is the factor of the needless damage to the cars, that takes time to fix. These guys work pretty much seven days a week as it is, now they are doing repairs that shouldn't be there.

And normally pit road is full of People!!!! You know, the flesh and blood type. Heart beats and breathing type of people!! ANY intentional contact with a car on pit road should result in a suspension. That should be ZERO contact zone, just so you don't get any funky ideas.

Just because there was no one there this time, doesn't mean there won't be next time. Kurt has done this before. Dover, last year, for those with short memories.

How about Kurt goes up to Tony like he has a set, instead of acting like a child. That way, the only folks getting hurt are the two in the incident.

I'm very surprised to see someone have your point of view.

I'd love to have you tell me why it is a good idea to have cars running into each other in anger on pit road.

That would be a great position to see someone try to defend.

I was pointing out that this time I didn't have a problem with it since there was no one on pit road. No need to get all "you may need to reflect" on me. Obviously you missed that part of my post or you wouldn't have wasted your time typing this response.

During a normal race situation with pit road full of cars, crews and the like it would be incredibly ignorant to retaliate with your car. This individual situation however none of that was going on and it was just Kurt and Tony.

From my original post:

It was dumb and using your car as a weapon is dangerous but less likely to cause anyone else injury then doing it wide open on the track. If NASCAR drops the hammer I'm fine with it. Just pointing out in this particular case no one else was at risk.

I am referring to this incident only not all pit road retaliation in general. I hope this clears things up for you.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by dodging karma

What Kurt did on pit lane is more acceptable to me then doing it at 180+. No one was in danger this time, I don't have a problem with it. At 180+ there are other drivers at risk because of the pack they usually run in. It was dumb and using your car as a weapon is dangerous but less likely to cause anyone else injury then doing it wide open on the track. If NASCAR drops the hammer I'm fine with it. Just pointing out in this particular case no one else was at risk.

And I still disagree with your entire post, since it seems to state that the way he drove is acceptable at any time, since it isn't to me.

I read it right the first time, and read it right every time I looked at it. Seems some others did too.

Others were at risk. I guess there were no other cars on the track when he was ramming Stewart. I did see the part where you have no issue with the hammer being dropped on him.

That just might be the only other smart thing you said in the post. Any other issues, feel free to PM me. I wasn't insulting towards you in my post. Clearly I read the whole thing, and the next two responses seemd to read it as I did.

Perhaps you need to read your post again, seems most took it as I did.

Any other issues, feel free to PM me, and I'll be glad to hash it out in private.

[LSC9901]

I'll still disagree as a matter of opinion. When Kurt rammed Tony he put Tony in harms way. Say what you wish about all the safety devices in place, but even at the speed they were at .. it was dangerous. How would anyone react if a tire had come off and gone towards the pit wall ??? Could anyone have gotten hurt due to Kurt's flash of foolish anger ?? I'm not a big fan of either driver which has little bearing on the subject of safety. Moves such as that should face stiff penalties. You can never guarantee there will not be an injury due to stupidity.

As noted ... just my opinion.

[bears9]

They're both short tempered hot heads, I'm not shocked Stewart took a swing at Kurt

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by dodging karma

What Kurt did on pit lane is more acceptable to me then doing it at 180+. No one was in danger this time, I don't have a problem with it. At 180+ there are other drivers at risk because of the pack they usually run in. It was dumb and using your car as a weapon is dangerous but less likely to cause anyone else injury then doing it wide open on the track. If NASCAR drops the hammer I'm fine with it. Just pointing out in this particular case no one else was at risk.

I couldn't disagree more with you. Pit lane is an uacceptable anytime. To much danger cause there are people who are not as protected as drivers in cars.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by bears9

They're both short tempered hot heads, I'm not shocked Stewart took a swing at Kurt

Not that I'm a Stewart fan... but if Busch had done that to me after a racin incident, I would have took his head off. If I was Stewarts crew, I would have yanked his ☻☻☻☻☻ out of the car and whipped him.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Not that I'm a Stewart fan... but if Busch had done that to me after a racin incident, I would have took his head off. If I was Stewarts crew, I would have yanked his ☻☻☻☻☻ out of the car and whipped him.

My thought exactly. But Kurt has proved he doesn't have what it takes to face people, other than with his car. Say what you will about Tony, but he will deal with stuff face to face.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Phils20

My thought exactly. But Kurt has proved he doesn't have what it takes to face people, other than with his car. Say what you will about Tony, but he will deal with stuff face to face.

You think Kurt would have learned his lesson after Spencer flattenin his nose that one time.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by Quality88

You think Kurt would have learned his lesson after Spencer flattenin his nose that one time.

He's too cocky for that. That car makes him a tough guy, but take him out of it, and the illusion is gone.

And that would be OK for some. That way is not for everyone, nor do I want 20 fights in the garage every week. But when you drive the way he does, I think you need to be ready for it. He runs and hides.

[tbalt]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Not that I'm a Stewart fan... but if Busch had done that to me after a racin incident, I would have took his head off. If I was Stewarts crew, I would have yanked his ☻☻☻☻☻ out of the car and whipped him.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Phils20

He's too cocky for that. That car makes him a tough guy, but take him out of it, and the illusion is gone.

And that would be OK for some. That way is not for everyone, nor do I want 20 fights in the garage every week. But when you drive the way he does, I think you need to be ready for it. He runs and hides.

Agreed........

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Phils20

He's too cocky for that. That car makes him a tough guy, but take him out of it, and the illusion is gone.

And that would be OK for some. That way is not for everyone, nor do I want 20 fights in the garage every week. But when you drive the way he does, I think you need to be ready for it. He runs and hides.

Sums it up well.

Got me thinking ... how many drivers have been punched in the face by another driver in recent years? I don't mean pushing and shoving. I mean being literally punched.

Only one I can think of is Kurt. Not a big Spencer fan on the track, but when he punched Busch, I thought he deserved it. And if the Stewart punch is true, that's twice for Busch in recent years. Hmmmm ... what does that tell you?

[saltysenior]

youse guys are to serious about a show that is put on by nascur.....successful track owners are also good promoters...very,very good track owners get to run & promote the whole show.[nascur]......as for fighting..i see road rage every day at 65 mph,and if both cars would stop i'm sure there would be a problem...those guys run 185+ at daytona,and are RACING [i think] each other.....nascur wants them to have milk & cookies after a race...some people are not built that way...