[Nevadastars]

Unfortunately, I missed the Busch race yesterday, but have read about all the controversey surrounding the finish. It was killing me that I didnt see it, so I searched Youtube and found links to clips of the race ending..........

YouTube - 2007 Montreal Busch Race - Exciting Finish (Part 1)

YouTube - 2007 Montreal Busch Race - Exciting Finish (Part 2)=

YouTube - 2007 Montreal Busch Race - Post Race Interviews=

[jks812]

Okay watch that and tell me Ambrose didn't know the caution was out when he spun Robby. Flag was flying before he spun him.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by jks812

Okay watch that and tell me Ambrose didn't know the caution was out when he spun Robby. Flag was flying before he spun him.

I'm not going to even try to defend one over the other BUT ..... can you be sure the yellow flag was seen by Ambrose ?? You can see it in the video because you are now looking for it. What is it like at race speed ?? How many of those flag wavers do you miss ?? That is part of the job of your spotter ... keep you informed as to what is happening on track.

[Mike24]

I uploaded those vids!

anyways, that was one of the wildest finishes I've seen in a long time...

[jks812]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I'm not going to even try to defend one over the other BUT ..... can you be sure the yellow flag was seen by Ambrose ?? You can see it in the video because you are now looking for it. What is it like at race speed ?? How many of those flag wavers do you miss ?? That is part of the job of your spotter ... keep you informed as to what is happening on track.

I don't know if he saw it or not. But if the flag is right in front of him and he don't see it, maybe he shouldn't be out there.

[I Flip For Carl]

When the melee happened in the back ,Marcos was in the lead when the caution came out and Robby went around him UNDER CAUTION which means that he should of went back behind Marcos ,as when the caution comes out the field is frozen .

Watch the first video and you can see that it is Marcos that is in the lead when the caution comes out and Robby whips around him .

[jks812]

Originally Posted by I Flip For Carl

When the melee happened in the back ,Marcos was in the lead when the caution came out and Robby went around him UNDER CAUTION which means that he should of went back behind Marcos ,as when the caution comes out the field is frozen .

Watch the first video and you can see that it is Marcos that is in the lead when the caution comes out and Robby whips around him .

Okay we agree on that. He should have restarted 2nd, not 12th. So Ambrose did spin him under caution and he shouldn't have been penalized?
I watched the race and the replays and the videos. Robby should have at least restarted 2nd and Ambrose at the end. Any other driver that spun someone under caution would have been sent to the back.

[Bob Tanner]

It isn't about what happened before the race restarted!

It's about why NASCAR restarted a race, knowing that the cars were not in the order they demanded. Like Steve, I'm not about to defend either Robby or Ambrose. They both did what they felt that they had to do at the moment they did it. It's racing and arguing about who wrecked who is an exercise in futility.

From my personal perspective, the major fault here is with NASCAR and their wishy-washy way of dealing with problems in a timely fashion. This is just a guess but I think NASCAR's concern was that they knew most cars were low on fuel and an extra caution lap to get thing straightened out would leave a bunch of cars sputtering somewhere out on the course, once the race restarted. Solution: Stop the caution lap with a red flag and personally inform the concerned driver(s) where they should be in line.

Until someone proves me wrong, I will continue to repeat: NASCAR REALLY BLEW THIS ONE! I bet the neophyte Canadian fans are really impressed with NASCAR's professionalism.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by I Flip For Carl

When the melee happened in the back ,Marcos was in the lead when the caution came out and Robby went around him UNDER CAUTION which means that he should of went back behind Marcos ,as when the caution comes out the field is frozen .

Watch the first video and you can see that it is Marcos that is in the lead when the caution comes out and Robby whips around him .

I spoke with a NASCAR official who told me the reason the race was not red-flagged is that NASCAR sent multiple directives to Gordon to park, and they expected him to comply. They also thought it would be unfair to other competitors to completely halt the race. The reason NASCAR suspended Gordon today — and could suspend him for additional races — is that his action showed extremely flagrant disregard for NASCAR's authority, and that cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. Gordon did make a clean pass of Ambrose, but he roughed him up pretty good earlier.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by jks812

I spoke with a NASCAR official who told me the reason the race was not red-flagged is that NASCAR sent multiple directives to Gordon to park, and they expected him to comply. They also thought it would be unfair to other competitors to completely halt the race. The reason NASCAR suspended Gordon today — and could suspend him for additional races — is that his action showed extremely flagrant disregard for NASCAR's authority, and that cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. Gordon did make a clean pass of Ambrose, but he roughed him up pretty good earlier.

It didn't post the link, I'll try to get that.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

It isn't about what happened before the race restarted!

It's about why NASCAR restarted a race, knowing that the cars were not in the order they demanded. Like Steve, I'm not about to defend either Robby or Ambrose. They both did what they felt that they had to do at the moment they did it. It's racing and arguing about who wrecked who is an exercise in futility.

From my personal perspective, the major fault here is with NASCAR and their wishy-washy way of dealing with problems in a timely fashion. This is just a guess but I think NASCAR's concern was that they knew most cars were low on fuel and an extra caution lap to get thing straightened out would leave a bunch of cars sputtering somewhere out on the course, once the race restarted. Solution: Stop the caution lap with a red flag and personally inform the concerned driver(s) where they should be in line.

Until someone proves me wrong, I will continue to repeat: NASCAR REALLY BLEW THIS ONE! I bet the neophyte Canadian fans are really impressed with NASCAR's professionalism.

I agree, Nascar messed up on this one. They could have red flagged or even let em come get fuel and line back up. I still say Ambrose should have been penalized for spinning Robby under caution. Robby will be penalized for his part. But who penalizes Nascar for their part in it?

[tkj24]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

It isn't about what happened before the race restarted!

It's about why NASCAR restarted a race, knowing that the cars were not in the order they demanded. Like Steve, I'm not about to defend either Robby or Ambrose. They both did what they felt that they had to do at the moment they did it. It's racing and arguing about who wrecked who is an exercise in futility.

From my personal perspective, the major fault here is with NASCAR and their wishy-washy way of dealing with problems in a timely fashion. This is just a guess but I think NASCAR's concern was that they knew most cars were low on fuel and an extra caution lap to get thing straightened out would leave a bunch of cars sputtering somewhere out on the course, once the race restarted. Solution: Stop the caution lap with a red flag and personally inform the concerned driver(s) where they should be in line.

Until someone proves me wrong, I will continue to repeat: NASCAR REALLY BLEW THIS ONE! I bet the neophyte Canadian fans are really impressed with NASCAR's professionalism.

I agree Nascar should have never started the field with the cars not where they wanted them. Were they afriad to go down and confront Robby?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by tkj24

I agree Nascar should have never started the field with the cars not where they wanted them. Were they afriad to go down and confront Robby?

I go back to the old "Tanner adage:"

When in trouble,
Or in doubt,
Run in circles, Scream, and shout.

IRT the restart, NASCAR did an admirable job of the above.

[wardfan]

well at least we all agree that NASCAR screwed up.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by wardfan

well at least we all agree that NASCAR screwed up.

Thats true. Wasn't the 1st time and won't be the last time either.