[tbalt]

I know a lot of you don't like Tony but I'll ask anyways. Who's fault was the crash between the two last week at Dover. I watched the race and keep hearing and reading how Tony hit Kurt and pushed him into the wall from Foxsports and Darrell Waltrip. The way it looked to me is Kurt came up and hit Tony's front fender. What does everybody expect in a race? It looked like at the beginning of the turn Tony was going low as he usually does but bobbled as if his spotter said Kurts coming low so he ended up going high. At the exit of the turn Kurt came high before he was clear and hit the 20 car. Of course Tony could have let off the throttle and lost three or four spots or is he racing to win?
It just bugs me that he always gets the blame when something happens between him and another driver. Granted he is in the wrong sometimes but don't think he should have the finger pointed his way this time.
I want to see others views of that race.

[LSC9901]

I don't like either one of them but this is what I saw. Kurt tried to pass Tony. When he got (almost) past Tony he started to pull up in front of Tony to get that line. For whatever reason Kurt ran into Tony because he hadn't allowed himself enough room. Tony slowed down and was hit in the rear and that pushed him into Kurt. None of it would have happened if Kurt had made sure he was actually by Tony before pulling up higher on the track. It is possible the spotter gave Kurt bad info as far as being clear of Tony.

[Lefty Noob]

Did anyone ever identify who it was who tagged Tony in the back to cause the actual wreck?

[tkj24]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I don't like either one of them but this is what I saw. Kurt tried to pass Tony. When he got (almost) past Tony he started to pull up in front of Tony to get that line. For whatever reason Kurt ran into Tony because he hadn't allowed himself enough room. Tony slowed down and was hit in the rear and that pushed him into Kurt. None of it would have happened if Kurt had made sure he was actually by Tony before pulling up higher on the track. It is possible the spotter gave Kurt bad info as far as being clear of Tony.

I think Kurt assumed Tony would give him the room he needed. With the history between the two of them this year I don't think I would assume anything like that.

Does everyone know what assume does? Makes a ass out of u and me.

[tbalt]

Biffle was the car right behind Tony but I didn't see him get into the rear of him.

[jks812]

Kurt said he had 90% of his car clear of Tony. Like Jimmy Spencer said, when you only have 90% clear, what do you think is gonna happen with the other 10%. Biffle was behind Tony but if Kurt hadn't went up and Tony have to get out of it, Biffle would not have tagged Tony.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by tbalt

Biffle was the car right behind Tony but I didn't see him get into the rear of him.

Correct. There was no contact from the rear (To the 20 car) at all in this incident.

This was hard, I ain't giving an inch, racing. It went to the point that both drivers forgot anything but the competition between the two of them at the moment. This is "back in the day" stuff. Fans loved it and looked forward to the next time the same two drivers became hooked in a personal duel on the track. It didn't/doesn't/won't turn the subsequent events in to a demo derby. No one would want it to, and the driver/owner/sponsor risk and reward interests (individually and collectively) work towards a fairly near term settling.

Nowadays many more (Then in the past) fans come up with the "NASCAR should ---" crys. And in the next sentence these same folks are off to the "NASCAR shouldn't" position. Ugh!

[DuPontFan]

This happened right past where I was sitting Monday. I don't care for either driver much so my opinion is unbiased. They had been racing hard for sometime but, I would have to blame Kurt for this one it sounded as if he checked up early going into the turn. After the intial contact Tony's car nosed down hard. Obviously he was trying to minimize it but, it was to late so he just drove through him. The rest is just classic Kurt Bush.

[oncea3fan]

Well at Dover it was clearly Kurts fault, he wasn't clear and came up in to Tony. and the last time I checked racing wasn't about letting someone go and getting it back later. Us fans pay to see these millionires race for every inch of every lap, it's never too early to race too hard.

Will
Easton MD.

did everyone hear spencer ripping busch WOW he was hard on him, I think he's still sore over the deal with busch trying to crickle his fender.

[PenelopePitStop]

I'll be brief as everyone has already made great points.

Kurt's fault. Hands down.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

I'll be brief as everyone has already made great points.

Kurt's fault. Hands down.

I agree 100% and as you may or may not know I'm no Tony fan either.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I agree 100% and as you may or may not know I'm no Tony fan either.

And as you many know, I am a Tony fan. However, if I thought it was Tony's fault, I would admit to it.

Regardless of who wrecked who, Kurt's actions in the pits was unconscionable!

BTW: I think it's funny that some think that Stewart's crew over-reacted when Kurt came flying into the pits. Trust me, if I saw a car coming at me like that, I too would be nominated for the Academy Award!

[oncea3fan]

Kurt's actions in the pits was unconscionable!


while I do agree with this, kurt's not the first to do something like this, most if not all the nascar stars have turned cars on pit lane. how many people does it endanger when it done end the end of the race with multiple car coming in.

just trying to reel in a little perspective on this, I think if it were Jr. in kurt's shoes the spin on it would be much different ????

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

I think if it were Jr. in kurt's shoes the spin on it would be much different ????

Perhaps. But Jr. doesn't have the history of "bad behavior" that Kurt does. Taking out another driver is one thing, intentionally endangering the pit crew of a driver is another.