[Team Yates]

Fuel Injection coming to NASCAR?: When NASCAR Sprint Cup director John Darby, a few weeks ago, raised the issue of 'fuel injected' racing engines in NASCAR, it raised eyebrows. NASCAR Cup engines are some of the most technically advanced engines in racing, except for the antique carburetors. Every other major form of racing, even ASA, uses fuel injected engines. NASCAR has long shied away from things electronically complicated like electronic fuel injection, for fear  with goodly reason  that the mechanical wizards on these racing teams might figure out a way to put some tricks in that electronic box. However NASCAR officials are raising the issue to team owners of fuel injected engines  possibly in the Truck series as soon as next season, according to one scenario  and asking how owners think NASCAR ought to police it. "We think fuel injection is just the right way to go in NASCAR," Pat Suhy, Chevrolet's NASCAR field director, says. "And it wouldn't be that difficult. Every other top racing series uses fuel injection. We could put something together in about a week  depending on how simple or complex you wanted to do it  and then test it for two months or so, and be ready to go."(MikeMulhern.net)

[Bob Tanner]

I wish Mylhern hadn't have written this. I would love to believe it.

[kkfan91]

why test it in the trucks those teams are already broke

[Quality88]

In other words they don't want to implement somethin that they themselves haven't figured out all the tricks to yet?

[simple simon]

Warning: The following comments and realization may make Bob Tanner explode

Ok, while I dont pretend to understand what difference fuel injection would make in racing, I do believe they need to use it. After all, if NASCAR wants us to still even slightly possibly consider them a 'stock car' association this is the way to go. I am not sure exactly how long it has been, but I do believe it is a safe bet all models used in the top series have used fuel injection for over half a dozen years.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by simple simon

Warning: The following comments and realization may make Bob Tanner explode

Ok, while I dont pretend to understand what difference fuel injection would make in racing, I do believe they need to use it. After all, if NASCAR wants us to still even slightly possibly consider them a 'stock car' association this is the way to go. I am not sure exactly how long it has been, but I do believe it is a safe bet all models used in the top series have used fuel injection for over half a dozen years.

I don't know why you say that, Old Buddy. I am in complete agreement. NA__AR should have gone to fuel injection back in 1956 or 1957. As I've already stated, I hate that it came from Mulhern because I hope this isn't just another figment of his rather fertile imagination.

I can't think of a major stock car series that uses F.I. at the moment. I don't believe that USAC ever did allow it on their stock cars, ditto ARCA, IMCA and MARC.But, it's been used on stock block V8's, V6's and four-bangers since the mid 50's, in AAA and USAC big cars, sprints and midgets.

[kkfan91]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I don't know why you say that, Old Buddy. I am in complete agreement. NA__AR should have gone to fuel injection back in 1956 or 1957. As I've already stated, I hate that it came from Mulhern because I hope this isn't just another figment of his rather fertile imagination.

I can't think of a major stock car series that uses F.I. at the moment. I don't believe that USAC ever did allow it on their stock cars, ditto ARCA, IMCA and MARC.But, it's been used on stock block V8's, V6's and four-bangers since the mid 50's, in AAA and USAC big cars, sprints and midgets.

its not a figmant of imgination i heard it mentioned on speed this weekend

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I don't know why you say that, Old Buddy.

because i saw it like this ..... you have been preaching to us (correctly) for years that NA__AR has nothing to do with 'stock cars' anymore ..... and now here i go pointing out that simple little fact in this instance like i am some visionary .... just thought it may make you go the proverbial 'postal'

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by simple simon

because i saw it like this ..... you have been preaching to us (correctly) for years that NA__AR has nothing to do with 'stock cars' anymore ..... and now here i go pointing out that simple little fact in this instance like i am some visionary .... just thought it may make you go the proverbial 'postal'

Not in the very least. I am in total agreement. If fuel injection is a "stock" option, it should (repeat S-H-O-U-L-D) be available to the stock car racing community. In fact, I will even go so far as to adapt that same statement to FWD! If a Monte Carlo comes off the showroom floor with FWD why the Hell are they running RWD in racing?

In "Bob Land" stock car racing should be as stock as possible, within common sense bounds for part reliability, safety, thus understanding the absolute necessary need for racing chassis, racing tires, reinforced suspension parts, etc., etc.

But, "Bob Land" is located a few nautical miles away from Atlantis (the island, NOT the casino in Nassau) so such an idea will obviously never see the light of day.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Not in the very least. I am in total agreement. If fuel injection is a "stock" option, it should (repeat S-H-O-U-L-D) be available to the stock car racing community. In fact, I will even go so far as to adapt that same statement to FWD! If a Monte Carlo comes off the showroom floor with FWD why the Hell are they running RWD in racing?

In "Bob Land" stock car racing should be as stock as possible, within common sense bounds for part reliability, safety, thus understanding the absolute necessary need for racing chassis, racing tires, reinforced suspension parts, etc., etc.

But, "Bob Land" is located a few nautical miles away from Atlantis (the island, NOT the casino in Nassau) so such an idea will obviously never see the light of day.

I like "Bob Land"... great place to visit

[Bob Tanner]

In re reading my post I see a mistake: "If fuel injection is a "stock" option, it should (repeat S-H-O-U-L-D) be available to the stock car racing community"

It's not an "option;" it's standard equipment! I haven't owned a vehicle with a carburetor in probably 20 years!

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

In re reading my post I see a mistake: "If fuel injection is a "stock" option, it should (repeat S-H-O-U-L-D) be available to the stock car racing community"

It's not an "option;" it's standard equipment! I haven't owned a vehicle with a carburetor in probably 20 years!

I think the Blue-Oval started running EFI in 1986 in most if not all their vehicles

[DOF_power]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I don't know why you say that, Old Buddy. I am in complete agreement. NA__AR should have gone to fuel injection back in 1956 or 1957. As I've already stated, I hate that it came from Mulhern because I hope this isn't just another figment of his rather fertile imagination.

I can't think of a major stock car series that uses F.I. at the moment. I don't believe that USAC ever did allow it on their stock cars, ditto ARCA, IMCA and MARC.But, it's been used on stock block V8's, V6's and four-bangers since the mid 50's, in AAA and USAC big cars, sprints and midgets.

I think there was a speed trial NASCAR fuel injected car in the 50s or so.

Direct injection has around since 1954 when MB used it on the their W196 F1 racecars, so I don't understand why can't NASCAR use it.

And the cost saving PR is just B*.
I know for sure that Cup engines titanium parts, carbon fiber parts and even exotic beryllium alloys witch have been banned in other racing series to save money.

If they fear electronics there mechanical direct inject, but I personally don't grasp this hate for electronics and teams getting creative, since creativity is part of real auto racing.

Also the defunct Speedcar used DI (modified) Cup engines. V8 Supercars uses DI and they actually use stock (modified) chassis.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by DOF_power

I think there was a speed trial NASCAR fuel injected car in the 50s or so.

Direct injection has around since 1954 when MB used it on the their W196 F1 racecars, so I don't understand why can't NASCAR use it.

And the cost saving PR is just B*.
I know for sure that Cup engines titanium parts, carbon fiber parts and even exotic beryllium alloys witch have been banned in other racing series to save money.

If they fear electronics there mechanical direct inject, but I personally don't grasp this hate for electronics and teams getting creative, since creativity is part of real auto racing.

Also the defunct Speedcar used DI (modified) Cup engines. V8 Supercars uses DI and they actually use stock (modified) chassis.

The speed trial you mention was, I believe, an attempt by Smokey to run a 57 Pontiac Chieftain which has factory (Smokey modified, of course) fuel injection. I believe that NASCAR allowed him to run some hot laps but nixed his racing the car.

As to the rest, I totally agree, except I didn't know the Aussie's ran FI. Thanks for the info.

I, too, have to laugh whenever NA__AR talks about cost cutting, then allow the teams to use exotic metals and hand-tooled parts. What a lot of BS! What is maddening is that they, and their lapdog media arm, apparently we, the race fan, are so ignorant that we actually can't see through their pitiful smoke screen. Now THAT's just plain insulting!

[nascaraddict]

I just don't see this one coming down the pipe anytime soon. Of course, I thought that there would'nt be any major modifications to the cars in the early 00's; and then NA_CAR laid the turd that is the C.O.T.

But to change from carburators to fuel injectors would take a lot of R & D work I would assume. There would be differences begtween the small tracks and the superspeedway tracks. I don't know how that would get worked out. Yadda, yadda, yadda.