[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

My question is: Did he leave Hendrick, or is he just TAD to Stewart/Hass, going over there much like the Hendrick engines flow between both operations?

That's been my question as well Bob. It makes me wonder. Knaus trained him, and trained him well I might add. I almost think he got someone's blessing to go there as it was his only shot at CC anytime in the future. JMO

[MikeRaceDayTek]

Originally Posted by Quality88

That's been my question as well Bob. It makes me wonder. Knaus trained him, and trained him well I might add. I almost think he got someone's blessing to go there as it was his only shot at CC anytime in the future. JMO

So here's my thought. End of this season, Zippy releases from his contract at Gibbs (or contract ends, can't remember which) and joins Tony at SHR. Grubb is promoted to VP of Competition or VP of Engineering (whichever) at SHR, or is returned to Hendrick (for all you conspiracy theory buffs out there) after being "on loan" for a year.

Thoughts?

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by MikeRaceDayTek

So here's my thought. End of this season, Zippy releases from his contract at Gibbs (or contract ends, can't remember which) and joins Tony at SHR. Grubb is promoted to VP of Competition or VP of Engineering (whichever) at SHR, or is returned to Hendrick (for all you conspiracy theory buffs out there) after being "on loan" for a year.

Thoughts?

Hmmm..... interesting spin on the situation. I could see Grubb goin to the 39 maybe.....

I don't see Zippy goin from Gibbs though... he is pretty happy with the Kid and his progress, and I don't think he wants to leave that... but then again.. we never can call everything that happens anymore. Time will soon tell.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by MikeRaceDayTek

So here's my thought. End of this season, Zippy releases from his contract at Gibbs (or contract ends, can't remember which) and joins Tony at SHR. Grubb is promoted to VP of Competition or VP of Engineering (whichever) at SHR, or is returned to Hendrick (for all you conspiracy theory buffs out there) after being "on loan" for a year.

Thoughts?

I don't see Zippy leaving Logano. While I don't like him being in Cup, he's going about things the right way and is progressing a lot better than his youthful age might indicate. Tony, OTOH, has probably peaked, or is close to it.

I think it might be in Zip's interest, as for his future, to stay where he is with Master Joey because that horse has a lot of miles left in it, while Tony's is close to seeing his best.

Of course, I don't know what kind of "golden parachute" retirement package Hendrick has in place for his employees, compared to Gibbs. That might figure into the equation somewhat, too.

As far as your statement: "for all you conspiracy theory buffs out there." I think it says something about the administration of the sport when so many people are drawn to believe in such conspiracies. Organizations with recognized credibility are seldom targets of such "radical" beliefs.

I have a question for you, and since you've apparently been through some sort of training for NASCAR employment (or that's the impression I got somewhere along the line) you might shine some light on this for me. Why haven't these NASCAR teams put a con-compete clause into their contracts? By not doing so it seems as though they are just encouraging opportunistic movement between teams. It's a question I have pondered for some time now. Everyone in the game I have asked gives me the same response, 'It'd never work. No one has ever done it." (Actually that's not quite true. Karl Kiekhaeffer had such a stipulation in place in 1956 but it went away when he left. ref: Iron Fist: The Lives of Carl Kiekhaefer - JEFFERY RODEGEN)

[MikeRaceDayTek]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I have a question for you, and since you've apparently been through some sort of training for NASCAR employment (or that's the impression I got somewhere along the line) you might shine some light on this for me. Why haven't these NASCAR teams put a con-compete clause into their contracts? By not doing so it seems as though they are just encouraging opportunistic movement between teams. It's a question I have pondered for some time now. Everyone in the game I have asked gives me the same response, 'It'd never work. No one has ever done it." (Actually that's not quite true. Karl Kiekhaeffer had such a stipulation in place in 1956 but it went away when he left. ref: Iron Fist: The Lives of Carl Kiekhaefer - JEFFERY RODEGEN)

Yeah, I was at NASCAR Technical Institute, but apparently it's run kinda similar to NA__AR itself. But that's another story. As to the non-complete clause, there really isn't much need for it anymore. Back in the day, when there was still innovation in the sport it mat have had it's place. Basically put it in that there is no working for another team for, say, the rest of the season when you left.

With NA__AR making a (begin sarcasm) "level playing field" (end sarcasm) the need for a non compete is kind of moot. Look at it this way, other than when a team goes belly-up, how often do you hear about the engine builders, or chassis designers leaving one team for another? And as much credit as I give crew chiefs (do we really think Sir Jimmie would have 4 without Knauss?), they don't build, design, or even truly set up the cars. They call the in race shots, control the pit crew, and do "at the track" setup. Most of those are things that change given the race situation, weather conditions, and how the car is acting. Does it truly matter if a crew chief leaves? He might have some notes on what changes they made at certain tracks, but without the base starting setup those notes are useless.

Questions??

[oncea3fan]

didn't Everingham have to sit out a year plus before bring in dodge, due to a no compete with HMS,


ANOTHER THOUGH.
if EGR goes with HMS engines, and they have a car/sponsor open for a driver (#1car), maybe this would become HMS 7 th car with brad k in it.
????
just thinking out loud.

[OregonSHRFan]

It was only a matter of time before someone tagged Darian with an offer. To Rick Hendrick's benefit (or maybe not) it was with Tony.
Had Darian not made that move, would he have been tapped instead of Lance to be with Jr? We will never know.
Tony got Bobby Hutchens (former RCR and Earnhardt Childress Engines) to head up the bunch.
To Tony's benefit, he brought superior employees in key positions and has allowed them to do their jobs. This is what's made the difference.

[nascaraddict]

Why don't they just call a spade a spade, and Brian France give the entire Bow Tie engine and body operation to Hendrick.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by nascaraddict

Why don't they just call a spade a spade, and Brian France give the entire Bow Tie engine and body operation to Hendrick.

To my knowledge that's not a NA__AR option. What owner gets what is determined by agreements between the owner(s) and the manufacturer. This is one we can't blame Brian for, I don't believe.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

To my knowledge that's not a NA__AR option. What owner gets what is determined by agreements between the owner(s) and the manufacturer. This is one we can't blame Brian for, I don't believe.

Don't be to sure on that one Bob... just cause the man has the talent to eff up a one car parade doesn't mean he couldn't orchestrate somethin like that.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Don't be to sure on that one Bob... just cause the man has the talent to eff up a one car parade doesn't mean he couldn't orchestrate somethin like that.

Yeah but in the case of the bow ties, now wouldn't he have to get it signed off by the White House, since GM now stands for Government Motors. (Sorry. I just couldn't resist that little shot.)

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Yeah but in the case of the bow ties, now wouldn't he have to get it signed off by the White House, since GM now stands for Government Motors. (Sorry. I just couldn't resist that little shot.)

Good point..... in order for him to get it signed by the White House, he would have to agree to a NA$CAR czar... oh shoot... I'm gonna stop right now.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Good point..... in order for him to get it signed by the White House, he would have to agree to a NA$CAR czar... oh shoot... I'm gonna stop right now.

Or maybe "Socialized Stock Car Racing?" Did it ever occur to you that, each race there is only one "privileged" winner but 42 others who don't get the honor of going to Victory Lane? How "fair" is THAT?" Sounds like something our Imperial Federal Government should look into? Possibly redistribute the wealth?

Yeah, I better stop, too... peace out.

[DOF_power]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Or maybe "Socialized Stock Car Racing?" Did it ever occur to you that, each race there is only one "privileged" winner but 42 others who don't get the honor of going to Victory Lane? How "fair" is THAT?" Sounds like something our Imperial Federal Government should look into? Possibly redistribute the wealth?

Yeah, I better stop, too... peace out.

It would be a good fit actually, "stock car racing" is anything but stock car racing and (self proclaimed) socialist regimes where/are anything but social.