[alex83]

i think there is such a vast difference between the leagues its difficult to define which one is the best, the Premiership has 4 great European teams, where as La Liga, Seria A and the Bundasliga has maybe 2 each, however there is also an argument that the non British teams develop the best talent for the internation game e.g playing in the World Cups, European Championships etc etc

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by alex83

i think there is such a vast difference between the leagues its difficult to define which one is the best, the Premiership has 4 great European teams, where as La Liga, Seria A and the Bundasliga has maybe 2 each, however there is also an argument that the non British teams develop the best talent for the internation game e.g playing in the World Cups, European Championships etc etc

Should we continue the debate of great verse good on a Euro team level?...LOL...just messing with ya man... ...though I really do not think that the Brits have a 4: (barely) 2 ratio over the other Euro leagues...especially the Seria A league...

On a side note: I have asked around about my man Sol Campbell to a few of the more passionate Premiership watchers here...and they pretty much say he falls somewhere between good and great...no one I talked to would rate him "great"...but they all agree he merits better than "good" especially when measured against his defensive of peers...so perhaps my man Sol is in sort of football limbo...

So here are my new categories:

1) football gods
2) football greats
3) the Sol Campbell category
4) good football players
5) the rest

there..hows that?...

[alex83]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Should we continue the debate of great verse good on a Euro team level?...LOL...just messing with ya man... ...though I really do not think that the Brits have a 4: (barely) 2 ratio over the other Euro leagues...especially the Seria A league...

On a side note: I have asked around about my man Sol Campbell to a few of the more passionate Premiership watchers here...and they pretty much say he falls somewhere between good and great...no one I talked to would rate him "great"...but they all agree he merits better than "good" especially when measured against his defensive of peers...so perhaps my man Sol is in sort of football limbo...

So here are my new categories:

1) football gods
2) football greats
3) the Sol Campbell category
4) good football players
5) the rest

there..hows that?...

ha ha yeah im cool with that, i mean im an arsenal fan so i know how good a player he can be but i just never believed he was great, but anyway

what i thought about the teams was that when you seen Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool they are considered big teams based on their historys and the fact that in recent years they have beaten some of the best teams in Europe where as Seria A has now got AC Milan and Inter, the Bundasliga has Bayern Munich and La Liga has Barca, Real and now Sevilla, its difficult to define which league is better becuase they are all so different for example the Premiership is considered more physical and played at a lot faster pace rather than Seria A or La Liga which is considered more technical and skilful than others...

[DaBigManOnCampus]

To me, its not mostly at top, but thier competition in the middle, La Liga has that proud saying that, we have diversity inside of our league that most clubs in the world, Its more than Real Madrid and Barca, its Valencia who won a uefa cup a few years back, Leaders and surprisers Sevilla who beat Tottenham Hotspur(sorry GDK) on Agg score to move to the final eight, Athletico Madrid, Even Osasuna, who also beat Bayern Leverkusen, to get to the final eight. of UEFA cup, they can say that we are diverse in teams that its not a certianty that Real and Barca will win La Liga, it forces the two teams to play on the highest level, or as you can see for both teams this year, they will be passed if not. For the Bundesliga, its very much more than the reds, its Schalke 04 who is leading the thing, Vfb Stugartt, who is close in second, the historicals Dortmund, and Leverkusen, and dont take out "Der, Clube" 1. FC Nurenburg, its very deep than most regular people think, and the british clubs, yes they have the four most powerful clubs in the world, but its costing them any real competition in the end, and Serie A, This year any way its been too much cheating to comment even though i will give it to Inter for their dominance. So I look in the competition for these top teams, not just the top teams.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by alex83

ha ha yeah im cool with that, i mean im an arsenal fan so i know how good a player he can be but i just never believed he was great, but anyway

what i thought about the teams was that when you seen Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool they are considered big teams based on their historys and the fact that in recent years they have beaten some of the best teams in Europe where as Seria A has now got AC Milan and Inter, the Bundasliga has Bayern Munich and La Liga has Barca, Real and now Sevilla, its difficult to define which league is better becuase they are all so different for example the Premiership is considered more physical and played at a lot faster pace rather than Seria A or La Liga which is considered more technical and skilful than others...

Okay, over a historical period I will give you four in the Premier, but over the course of the last 1/4 century you can't tell me that the pace of the Seria A is less...

I think that what the Premiership has going for it is that its pretty solid all the way through, but the top half of the Italian league can rival the top half of the Premiership over time.

[DaBigManOnCampus]

just skips me huh?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by DaBigManOnCampus

To me, its not mostly at top, but thier competition in the middle, La Liga has that proud saying that, we have diversity inside of our league that most clubs in the world, Its more than Real Madrid and Barca, its Valencia who won a uefa cup a few years back, Leaders and surprisers Sevilla who beat Tottenham Hotspur(sorry GDK) on Agg score to move to the final eight, Athletico Madrid, Even Osasuna, who also beat Bayern Leverkusen, to get to the final eight. of UEFA cup, they can say that we are diverse in teams that its not a certianty that Real and Barca will win La Liga, it forces the two teams to play on the highest level, or as you can see for both teams this year, they will be passed if not. For the Bundesliga, its very much more than the reds, its Schalke 04 who is leading the thing, Vfb Stugartt, who is close in second, the historicals Dortmund, and Leverkusen, and dont take out "Der, Clube" 1. FC Nurenburg, its very deep than most regular people think, and the british clubs, yes they have the four most powerful clubs in the world, but its costing them any real competition in the end, and Serie A, This year any way its been too much cheating to comment even though i will give it to Inter for their dominance. So I look in the competition for these top teams, not just the top teams.

Sorry Big Guy, not personal...been a busy day...Seem almost like two threads on this, your comment is mostly for this year it seems and Alex for the history of it all...Traditionally, I don't think the Budesliga has been as competitive as the Italian league...that's why over the years you some some top talent in the Italian league, aside from the home grown like Baggio etc, that's where there was a rush of talent going to play in the late 80's early 90's...Van Basten, Batistuta, Platt, even some high profile German boys...

The Spanish league I don't think is ever as deep, but the top two or three teams can hold thier own against anyone...

[alex83]

ok i got something new, who will get the top 4 champions league places in the premiership this year and who will get relegated?

[wedge]

Well I think Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool have three of those spots. The 4th spot could be determined tomorrow when Arsenal and Bolton play, though Bolton has played one more game then the Gunners.

Watford will not avoid the drop, for sure. I think the Hammers will crawl there way out of it, altough they play Bolton, Chelsea, Man U and Everton. But at least they have been playing well of late, winning their last 3 including beating Arsenal.

As far as the other two teams, it will be Sheff Utd and Charlton, IMO.

[DaBigManOnCampus]

The way I see it the top thre will be like wedge says it, but fourth is more than Arsenal and bolton, dont take Everton out of the picture who is catching up with the rest of the premiership. And as for relegation, the line is clear, Watford is going down to the League Championship while West Ham, with its huge win against Arsenal will get out of the bottom of the sack before they open the hole for next year. Charlton and Wigan is still not safe either.

[alex83]

i would say:
1. Manchester United
2. Chelski
3. Liverpool
4. Arsenal

and at the bottom

18. ??? im still unsure about becuase both could drop into the relegation zone
19. West Ham
20. Watford

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by wedge

Well I think Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool have three of those spots. The 4th spot could be determined tomorrow when Arsenal and Bolton play, though Bolton has played one more game then the Gunners.

Watford will not avoid the drop, for sure. I think the Hammers will crawl there way out of it, altough they play Bolton, Chelsea, Man U and Everton. But at least they have been playing well of late, winning their last 3 including beating Arsenal.

As far as the other two teams, it will be Sheff Utd and Charlton, IMO.

Wedge!...no matter what you say I am going to forever hold against you the fact that you could not see it in your heart to see that Sol Campbell fits into the great category...fair weathered friend...

Don't be going 6 mnoths between posts now...

[DaBigManOnCampus]

Todays Scores...

Arsenal 2-1 Bolton

Goals:
Arsenal:
Rosicky 31'
Fabregas 45'

Bolton:
Anelka 11'


Bookings:
Gallas
Lehmann
Faye
Hunt

Sent off:
Campo

Man City 0-0 Liverpool

Bookings:
Barton
Alonso
Finnan

Middlesborough 1-3 Aston Villa
Goals:

Middlesbro':
Rochemback 13'

Aston Villa:
Gardner 45'
Moore 70'
Petrov 77

Bookings:
Cattermole
Taylor
Bardsley

Portsmouth 2-1 Newcastle

Goals:

Portsmouth:
Mwaruwari 7'
Taylor 59'

Newcastle:
Emre (pen) 69

Bookings:
Stefanovic
O'Neil

Reading 1-0 Fulham

Goals:

Reading:
Hunt 15'

Bookings:
Hunt
Shorey
Helguson

Sheff Utd 3-0 West Ham

Goals:

Sheff Utd:
Tonge 39'
Jagielka 68'
Stead 78'

Bookings:
Kazim-Richards
Jagielka
Bowyer
Ferdinand
Tevez

Tommorrow fixtures are on the First post and more on today's games are on these sites....
BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Sheff Utd 3-0 West Ham
BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Arsenal 2-1 Bolton
BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Middlesbrough 1-3 Aston Villa
BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Portsmouth 2-1 Newcastle
BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Reading 1-0 Fulham

And I will give you the Table at the end of all the fixtures for the week on Tuesday.

[DaBigManOnCampus]

Today's Scores

Everton 2-1 Charlton

Goals:
Everton:
Lescott 81'
McFadden 90'
Charlton:
Bent 89'

Bookings:
Thatcher
Bougherra
Hasselbaink

Wigan 3-3 Tottenham

Goal:
Wigan:
Heskey 2'
Baines 30'
Kilbane 60'
Tottenham:
Berbatov 4'
Keane (pen) 35'
Keane 68'

Here are the stories on today's games....

BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Wigan 3-3 Tottenham
BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Everton 2-1 Charlton

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by DaBigManOnCampus

Today's Scores

Everton 2-1 Charlton

Goals:
Everton:
Lescott 81'
McFadden 90'
Charlton:
Bent 89'

Bookings:
Thatcher
Bougherra
Hasselbaink

Wigan 3-3 Tottenham

Goal:
Wigan:
Heskey 2'
Baines 30'
Kilbane 60'
Tottenham:
Berbatov 4'
Keane (pen) 35'
Keane 68'

Here are the stories on today's games....

BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Wigan 3-3 Tottenham
BBC SPORT | Football | Premiership | Everton 2-1 Charlton

Looks like the Hotspur counter every goal within...nice to see Keane get two...