[azrael492]

Originally Posted by ThePundit

When Aaron approached Ruth's record, everybody was glued to their TV's. Now, unless you live in SF, absolutely nobody cares.

I hate to disagree, but I have been riveted to the TV. As Lefty pointed out, he has never failed a test. There is no proof that he was juicing although it REALLY looks like he did. I decided to just enjoy the moment. Everyone thinks A-Rod will be the one to break the record, but it may never happen again. At one point, everybody thought Jr. was going to break the record until age and injuries caught up to him. It could happen to A-Rod also.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Barry is a jerk with or without steroids. That is why I don't like him. Period. A jerk to his teammates, a jerk to the media, just a jerk.

Steroids or not, one big BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo to Barry. I really hope his record is passed soon by someone. He was/is a great player, but the way he handles everything just makes me ill.

Love'em or Hate him...he is still has legit claim on the record unless we want to wipe out MLB stats since 1996.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Love'em or Hate him...he is still has legit claim on the record unless we want to wipe out MLB stats since 1996.

Yes, he does. I've never questioned that. But if he expects to be treated with the same respect of Hammerin Hank, he needs to start showing us some love. Ot at least tolerance.

Like I said in my post, he is/was great.

But it does not make him a great person.

[oggie oglethorpe]

why doesnt every MLB player just take roids, even out the playing field
roids for everyone woooo lol

[bears9]

Originally Posted by oggie oglethorpe

why doesnt every MLB player just take roids, even out the playing field
roids for everyone woooo lol

Take that back cheater

[EmpireWF]

I'd watch if I could remember the fact he's on a west coast swing lately and the games are late.

Sure he did steroids, sure most everyone during the same period did them. Is he a cheat, depends on your POV. But it is a historical moment nonetheles.

[ThePundit]

Originally Posted by Mike24

The funny thing is the haters say he used steroids he cheated blah blah. no, steroids were legal when Bonds is speculated of using them. If you want to put a * on someone's name, put it under the Bud Selig era in baseball for allowing steroids for as long as he did.

There's plenty of proof. What do you consider proof, Mike? That we have to see him do it?


From Game of shadows:

Bonds was using two designer steroids referred to as the Cream and the Clear, as well as insulin, human growth hormone, testosterone decanoate (a fast-acting steroid known as Mexican beans) and trenbolone, a steroid created to improve the muscle quality of cattle. BALCO tracked Bonds' usage with doping calendars and folders -- detailing drugs, quantities, intervals and Bonds' testosterone levels -- that wound up in the hands of federal agents upon their Sept. 3, 2003 raid of the Burlingame, Calif., business.

Also, how about the way he looks, what his ex-girlfriend said? If you don't believe there's enough "proof" you're living in a state of denial.

[SteelPhoenyx]

pffft, even some of us who live in the SF Bay don't care.

Originally Posted by ThePundit

When Aaron approached Ruth's record, everybody was glued to their TV's. Now, unless you live in SF, absolutely nobody cares.

[cwstech]

I don't think I have ever despised someone winning a record as much as i do this.

[bears9]

Originally Posted by cwstech

I don't think I have ever despised someone winning a record as much as i do this.

No one has cwstch

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by ThePundit

There's plenty of proof. What do you consider proof, Mike? That we have to see him do it?


From Game of shadows:


Also, how about the way he looks, what his ex-girlfriend said? If you don't believe there's enough "proof" you're living in a state of denial.

Every MLB player uses some kind of drug to enhance their performance, but we are just starting to recognize this. What about Babe Ruth using corked bats to hit his home runs? Oh yeah, we don't complain about that. That's because no one knew he did that at the time. With the steroids speculation, the fans now have knowledge of this when players have been cheating forever now.

[ThePundit]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Every MLB player uses some kind of drug to enhance their performance, but we are just starting to recognize this. What about Babe Ruth using corked bats to hit his home runs? Oh yeah, we don't complain about that. That's because no one knew he did that at the time. With the steroids speculation, the fans now have knowledge of this when players have been cheating forever now.

Okay. That's a fair argument. But you said you haden't seen proof of Bonds doing steroids.

[Lefty Noob]

Plenty of proof? Okay, let's look at the proof.

Game of Shadows presents interesting allegations. But if this BALCO calender and other such evidence of Bonds steroids usage exists, why are we here, four years later, with the feds investigating Barry for nothing more than tax evasion? Why do we instantly believe that these authors are credible sources? I'm read some pretty bad hatchet jobs in my time (see "Under the Tarnished Dome" for a book filled with false allegations and misquotes).

His physique? Circumstantial evidence.

His ex-girlfriend? Could be the delusional rantings of someone trying to exact revenge for a relationship gone bad.

Any positive drug tests yet? No? Hmm, how about that.

I'll admit I believe Barry most likely used them, but all this "overwhelming evidence" wouldn't be worth a hill of beans in a court of law.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Every MLB player uses some kind of drug to enhance their performance, but we are just starting to recognize this. What about Babe Ruth using corked bats to hit his home runs? Oh yeah, we don't complain about that. That's because no one knew he did that at the time. With the steroids speculation, the fans now have knowledge of this when players have been cheating forever now.

And now that we know it, it is criminal of us to just ignore it, or to still place these guys on a pedestal.

I have Zero respect for MLB, for turning a blind eye, and I'm a bit disappointed in myself for not being more suspicious.

Part of the appeal of sports is what these guys do, allegedly with God given ability and hard work.

Now we have the unfortunate distinction of living with at lest 15-20 years of lies.

Seems to me the last pure moment, I mean big moment, that will be remembered, is Ripken's record.

How sad just about everything else is now suspect.

Bonds, Mcguire, and Sosa just have to bad fortune of being the poster boys for a corrupt generation of players.

And that is a shame, as much as I don't like Barry, he was a great player without steroids, or whatever drug he is/was on. The only thing he would not have had without the juice was the home run record. His legacy is tainted, just like a lot of these other players.

I would like to see every player tested every couple of weeks, but the cost would be high, and we will never see it.

All the sports need to clean up their act. I have no interest is seeing "fake" athletes.

[bears9]

he is 43 and his head and feet got bigger