[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

I think it might be safe to say he's the best pure slugger of all time, but I'd rather take a more complete player - Ruth, Mays, Teddy Ballgame - over Bonds. He did have quite a bit of speed during his days with the Bucs, though, I have to admit that. Seems like a lifetime ago though.

Ruth had a greater margin against the rest of the league...as in there was a greater gap to his power hitting when compared to the competition...and Teddy Ballgame did lose a legit 4-1/2 years of his prime to two wars!

[Gibbs Is God 28]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Williams lost more years to the war...no way Mays would have gotten to 800...no way in heck...having said that...great all around talent...but ruth pitched and pitched well...ya gotta give him the nod on that...

Ruth gets the nod. However, Mays was fast, he stole bases, got on base and hit many homeruns, and was mostly known for his defense. He is still arguably the best defensive player ever.

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Hey, how many rings does Bonds have?


And yes, before you look at my title and scramble for the 'post quick reply' I know I'm taking a page from anti-Marino-for-greatest-QB camp. I would never argue than Dan was the best. He was great, but not the quintessential on-field general that determines the distinction.

Much like how Bonds falls short, no matter which stats he puts up.

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

Hey, how many rings does Bonds have?


And yes, before you look at my title and scramble for the 'post quick reply' I know I'm taking a page from anti-Marino-for-greatest-QB camp. I would never argue than Dan was the best. He was great, but not the quintessential on-field general that determines the distinction.

Much like how Bonds falls short, no matter which stats he puts up.

Bonds goes further than just not winning in the playoff, though. Let's not forget his infamous reputation as a choke artist.

[Lefty Noob]

Bonds hit his first home run since May 8th yesterday, knocking career dinger #746 in a loss to the Colorado Rockies. He's now nine away from Aaron's record. Closer and closer he creeps... baseball better figure out what they're gonna do pretty quick.

[Lefty Noob]

Long time between homers for Bonds, who finally got #747 yesterday - Barry Bonds: Countdown to history - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

[ThePundit]

Originally Posted by DaBigManOnCampus

Barry Bonds is to me just a jerk, he was always against the media(which at sometimes he has a good reason) whiny about himself, what really made me mad when he put the race card into him being investigated for steriods and the HR Race. QUITTT YOUR WHINING BARRY!!!! No this man to me I hate so much, to my thought he did those steriods and just the sad part, will never get caught. And that to me, and I think to Aaron, is BS VERY BS!!!

I couln't have said it any better, DaBigman...so I won't try!

[bears9]

so how many roids did he wedge up his but before the game

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by Gibbs Is God 28

Stats-7 MVPs· 13-time All Star· 8 Gold Gloves· 12 Silver Slugger Awards· Third member of 700 Home Run Club· Only member in 500/500 Club· Single Season Home Run King (73)· Two-time N.L. Batting Champion (2002, 2004)· Player of the Decade for the 1990's by The Sporting News· All-time Major League walks leader· Set single-season walks (232) and intentional walks (120) record· Set single-season OBP record (.609)· Holds Major League record for consecutive seasons with 30-or-more HR, accomplishing this 13 times-has Major League career records with 13-consecutive 30-HR seasons-13 campaigns with 100-or-more walks (tied with Ruth), -2,426 lifetime bases on balls and 645 intentional walks-has also matched his late father, Bobby, for ML record with 5 different 30 HR/30 SB seasons-has posted NL-record 12 seasons with at least 100 RBI-has matched Aaron with 8 different 40-HR campaigns

How many 20 win seasons did he have? I think Ruth did most of this plus was an ace pitcher? Ruth had 2 20 win seasons and one year pitched 35 out of 38 comlete games.

[Lefty Noob]

Bonds added Fenway Park to his hitlist today, hitting his first career home run out of the Boston ballpark (748th overall) in the Giants 9-5 loss to the Sox today. He's now seven away from tying Aaron's record. "I thought it was a popup, and I turned around and saw J.D. (Drew) just keep going back, further and further and further," Tim Wakefield, the 441st pitcher to surrender a dinger to Barry, told reporters afterwards. "He put a good swing on it, and I'm sure he's put a lot of swings on a lot of other pitchers." Yeah, I think that's safe to say. At least 441 of them, I'd guess.

[legend]

I am amazed he ever gets a pitch to hit with that ridiculously poor line up he is. Omar Visquel is the next best hitter on that team. Rich Aurelia, who was washed up five years ago, bats fifth, and yesterday, slap hitter Randy Winn was hitting in the third spot. I would not want to be a Giants' pitcher, depending on these guys to score runs for me.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by legend

I am amazed he ever gets a pitch to hit with that ridiculously poor line up he is. Omar Visquel is the next best hitter on that team. Rich Aurelia, who was washed up five years ago, bats fifth, and yesterday, slap hitter Randy Winn was hitting in the third spot. I would not want to be a Giants' pitcher, depending on these guys to score runs for me.

Makes him more amazing...would fans love him more if he wore a shirt that said, "at least I am not Michael Vick or Pacman Jones!"...might help the image...

[legend]

One must remember that with the MVP Award back in Ruth's day, until 1930, for some ridiculous reason, if you had won it previously, you were not eligible to win it again. This means that Ruth could have conceivably won it, as he should have, for most of the 1920s, instead of just for 1923, which was one of his lesser seasons. Looking back at his numbers, you could argue that he should have won ten of these. His margin of homers is just plain silly-in 1921 for instance, Ruth hit 59, the next highest total was 24. Add to the fact that he would have been a Hall of Famer as a pitcher had he stayed on the mound, and there is no argument at all who the greatest of all-time is. None.

[Lefty Noob]

Bonds hit #15 on the year and #749 on his career yesterday in a 7-3 loss to the Yankees.
MLB - New York Yankees/San Francisco Giants Recap Friday June 22, 2007 - Yahoo! Sports

[Lefty Noob]

Barry is now just five home runs away after hitting #750 in yesterday's loss to Arizona. According to the AP, "The 42-year-old Bonds led off the eighth inning with a solo shot off D-backs starter Livan Hernandez to tie the game at 3... Bonds drove a 3-2 pitch an estimated 380 feet for his 16th home run of the season and first in exactly a week since connecting off Yankees reliever Scott Proctor on June 22. It was Bonds' first homer in 14 at-bats and 23 plate appearances -- and the fourth of his career against former Giant Hernandez, who last surrendered a home run to Bonds on Aug. 24, 2006. It was Bonds' 39th against Arizona."