[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Gibbs Is God 28

Hold on Pundit. Does Jose Canseco's recollections mean anything to you or anyone for that fact? NO. So why would Bond's girlfriend's recollections mean anything to anyone. She's mad because he left her and she's looking for money. How many times can i say theres been absolutely no proof about him taking steroids. Straight Ignorance. I can't wait for him to break the record.

THANK YOU! No one can say Bonds used steroids, when there has been NO EVIDENCE proving so, and the tests Bonds has taken proves that. Until the tests have proven Bonds used steroids, I will not claim he has, because there is no evidence saying that.

[Gibbs Is God 28]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

True, but I can still hope.

The second someone passes Bonds' mark, he will be cast into obscurity because nobody respects him. Except Goth.

Whiskey, you could take as much steroids, human growth hormones, testosterome, pills, vitamins, and drugs as you want and still couldn't hit as many homeruns as Bonds. Matter of fact, most people in the world can't. So whether Bond's does it or doesn't he is still a beast.

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Originally Posted by Gibbs Is God 28

Whiskey, you could take as much steroids, human growth hormones, testosterome, pills, vitamins, and drugs as you want and still couldn't hit as many homeruns as Bonds. Matter of fact, most people in the world can't. So whether Bond's does it or doesn't he is still a beast.

That's great for Bonds. Too bad he acts like a donkey all the time. A beast of a donkey, perhaps, but still an ass.

If we only cared about athletes' talent(s), then sports would be rather bland.

[Gibbs Is God 28]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

That's great for Bonds. Too bad he acts like a donkey all the time. A beast of a donkey, perhaps, but still an ass.

If we only cared about athletes' talent(s), then sports would be rather bland.

I could care less how he acts when he's not on the field. I mean being an ass isn't illegal right? Reggie Jackson, Mr. October, A Hall of Famer, was a jerk off the field. He once refused to sign a kid's autograph after waiting hours in the rain after a game. However, that doesn't take away from what he did on the field.

[Gibbs Is God 28]

Don't get me wrong though I don't like jerks and am not promoting them. But you have to understand he isn't getting paid to be nice to everyone. I'm sorry he's a donkey.

[MJHMarc]

Other than discussing the ecological, and biological description of Barry Bonds, why don't we discuss his impact on baseball? Is he the best ever?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by MJHMarc

Other than discussing the ecological, and biological description of Barry Bonds, why don't we discuss his impact on baseball? Is he the best ever?

I would say Ruth was better since he was also an All_Star pitcher...though Bonds adds a dimension of speed...

[Gibbs Is God 28]

I would say that title still belongs to Ty Cobb, Willie Mays, or Babe Ruth. (not in that order)

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Gibbs Is God 28

I would say that title still belongs to Ty Cobb, Willie Mays, or Babe Ruth. (not in that order)

Ruth with a slight edge over Cobb and Mays with Ted Williams and Dimaggio objecting terribly...

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Gibbs Is God 28

I would say that title still belongs to Ty Cobb, Willie Mays, or Babe Ruth. (not in that order)

I've always been partial to Mays because he was a complete player, and if he didn't go to war, he could've hit 800 homers. Just ask him.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

I've always been partial to Mays because he was a complete player, and if he didn't go to war, he could've hit 800 homers. Just ask him.

Williams lost more years to the war...no way Mays would have gotten to 800...no way in heck...having said that...great all around talent...but ruth pitched and pitched well...ya gotta give him the nod on that...

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

I've always been partial to Mays because he was a complete player, and if he didn't go to war, he could've hit 800 homers. Just ask him.

LOL, I saw that too.

[Gibbs Is God 28]

Stats-7 MVPs· 13-time All Star· 8 Gold Gloves· 12 Silver Slugger Awards· Third member of 700 Home Run Club· Only member in 500/500 Club· Single Season Home Run King (73)· Two-time N.L. Batting Champion (2002, 2004)· Player of the Decade for the 1990's by The Sporting News· All-time Major League walks leader· Set single-season walks (232) and intentional walks (120) record· Set single-season OBP record (.609)· Holds Major League record for consecutive seasons with 30-or-more HR, accomplishing this 13 times-has Major League career records with 13-consecutive 30-HR seasons-13 campaigns with 100-or-more walks (tied with Ruth), -2,426 lifetime bases on balls and 645 intentional walks-has also matched his late father, Bobby, for ML record with 5 different 30 HR/30 SB seasons-has posted NL-record 12 seasons with at least 100 RBI-has matched Aaron with 8 different 40-HR campaigns

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Gibbs Is God 28

Stats-7 MVPs· 13-time All Star· 8 Gold Gloves· 12 Silver Slugger Awards· Third member of 700 Home Run Club· Only member in 500/500 Club· Single Season Home Run King (73)· Two-time N.L. Batting Champion (2002, 2004)· Player of the Decade for the 1990's by The Sporting News· All-time Major League walks leader· Set single-season walks (232) and intentional walks (120) record· Set single-season OBP record (.609)· Holds Major League record for consecutive seasons with 30-or-more HR, accomplishing this 13 times-has Major League career records with 13-consecutive 30-HR seasons-13 campaigns with 100-or-more walks (tied with Ruth), -2,426 lifetime bases on balls and 645 intentional walks-has also matched his late father, Bobby, for ML record with 5 different 30 HR/30 SB seasons-has posted NL-record 12 seasons with at least 100 RBI-has matched Aaron with 8 different 40-HR campaigns

No arguement he is great...but there are at least a half dozen to a dozen players that would beg to differ that he is the greatest of all-time...

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

No arguement he is great...but there are at least a half dozen to a dozen players that would beg to differ that he is the greatest of all-time...

I think it might be safe to say he's the best pure slugger of all time, but I'd rather take a more complete player - Ruth, Mays, Teddy Ballgame - over Bonds. He did have quite a bit of speed during his days with the Bucs, though, I have to admit that. Seems like a lifetime ago though.