[gatarheel]

I agree cwstech, it was bad, we missed so many things out there, it looked liked they just didn't want to be out there. I mean Marvin Sanders and the rest of the coaching staff were yelling and the look on there faces was priceless. The LB"S expect for Edwards need to be benched next game and Rice needs to quit.

If the kids on the field don't want to play then sit them I rather loose with kids that want to wear and have pride in the UNC colors, then kids out there doing nothing.

I know we all say JB must go, but I can say after this game it is not all on JB. The players gave up and no matter what was said they never go in the game. So I think some of thoses players need to get with it or just quit the team and let some of these new Frosh play that want to be out there like NICKS and SEXTON and others.

[cwstech]

I agree. If you're not going to take pride in the Blue, the don't wear it. My senior year of football. My coach benched the best running back on our team and probably on of the best in our conference. Mind you, the conference I was in at the time had Willie Parker at Clinton and Sam Aiken at James Kenan (He played HB his senior year). He benched him and the kid came back the next game and was great until he broke his foot. But my coach always used that saying. It's about the name on the front of the jersey, not the one on the back.

[gatarheel]

I agree thats what it is about the name, yes we are a b-ball school, but we have some say the best football camp and building in the NCAA. So putting on the Blue should mean a great deal to theses guys, but after looking at them Saturday. They gave up and that was all it was, they gave up and when players give up there is nothing a coach can do but send a strong tone and kick thoses players off the team.

By the way Parker and Clinton, use to run the show in NC

[cwstech]

Trust me that I know he ran the show and Clinton did too. I am from the Clinton area originally. My father and uncles played at Wallace Rose Hill and all of my cousins played at Clinton. So I know the history. Parker was just abnormally fast for a 17 year old. I was a DE and honestly, he broke my ankles more than once in the game that we played them. My whole team went to the state playoffs game that year to support them since they were in my conference. And they were just amazing.

Speaking of the Willie Parker issue. He was great in high school and he is great now. The guy will not even say that he went to Carolina. And who was his coach?

[gatarheel]

Yea, He is great and never got to keep it going at unc. NC has some good HS player if we could just get them to stay in state. I try to come back and catch a game of Charlotte Ind. and they are loaded every year and yesterday I look at UGA and the comeback and there are two NC from Charlotte leading the comeback the QB & WR, only if we could keep this talent in state.

Do you remember Marcuas Reeves from Douglas Bryd the guy was another great high school back out the state.

[cwstech]

Chris Leak? I mean come on. We should have kept him in state. But he goes to Florida instead. Carolina has a good recruiting class coming in next year. We need someone to do something with it. We have the #1 recruit in the state (by rivals.com) in Dwight Jones from Burlington Cummings coming next year. What are we going to do with him?

And then, this is Ronnie McGill's, Brian Chacos', Jessie Holly's, and Larry Edwards' last year. And what are we giving them? A reason to hang their heads.

[gatarheel]

Chris Leak, Joe Cox, the 2 wideouts that went to UGA. I hope we can do better, but if you look back we have lost a lot of dam good players under JB's watch. Some players that will be in the NFL one day and I am talking about players that sign with UNC and then left. I think the number is at 10 or 11 players that we have lost that start for teams now.

I do think Cam Sexton will be a great QB, what do you think?

[cwstech]

I think Sexton can become a good quarterback. We just need someone to cultivate him. He showed in this saturday's game that he has an arm when he overthrew one of our WR's by ten yards on a good 60 yard pass.

Barrington Edwards is returning, Nicks will be returning, And others. There are some seniors on the team but we have a fairly young team. We need the right person to come in. As much as I hate to say it, we need a Mack Brown (His name is a curse word to me after he left us on the verge of becoming an elite program).

[gatarheel]

Okay, people keep calling for Mack Brown, but don't for get people wanted to fire Mack because he was not winning, he had 2 seasons of 1-10 , then 6-4-1, 7-4, 9-3. 10-3, 8-4, 7-5. So peolpe were read to fire Mack but they didn't and mack got on track. But he got that way by each class getting better and better and I do see the players coming into the Hill getting better and better so maybe JB is getting there.

[heels13]

We were crazy to chase Mack Brown away. He had a great personality and could recruit from anywhere. We should have doubled his salary to have him stay.... I think JB will at best produce a marginal program that might have one good year out of six 4-7 to 6-5 teams.

Could we get Lou Holtz out of retirement???

[cwstech]

But if you look at the records for the years that Mack Brown was here it paints a totally different picture

Mack Brown:

1988: 1-10 No Bowl
1989: 1-10 No Bowl
1990: 6-4-1 No Bowl
1991: 7-4 No Bowl
1992: 9-3 Peach Bowl
1993: 10-3 Gator Bowl
1994: 8-4 Sun Bowl
1995: 7-5 Carquest Bowl
1996: 10-2 Gator Bowl
1997: 11-1 Gator Bowl

overall record at unc: 69-46-1

John Bunting:

2001: 8-5 Peach Bowl
2002: 3-9 No Bowl
2003: 2-10 No Bowl
2004: 6-6 The Freaking Tire Bowl
2005: 5-6 No Bowl
2006: 1-3 And Propably no bowl this year

overall record at unc: 25-39

I've always been in a business that when the day ends my boss cares about one thing, the bottom line. And if you look at the bottom line. It paints a sad picture. We have been to two bowls in Buntings tenure. One was with the recruits from Carl Torbush and mind you I think we had Peppers, Spoon and quite a few others that year. And the other was a sympathy bowl for the teams that broke .500.

Mack took 3 years to start posting a winning record and it never went below .500 after that. And this was also at the time when Florida State came into our conference and was a national powerhousem, but he built the program up. We need a coach who can do this same thing. It's never a positive sign to go from a 8-5 season to 5-6 and to what we may have this year. God help us all

[cwstech]

And if you get a chance, read this article posted this morning on the News & Observer's website about whether Bunting should stay or go.

newsobserver.com | Stay or go?

[Lefty Noob]

Good points raised on both sides in that article, but I think financially you have to look at eating that $260,000 on Bunting's contract with the hopes that a better coach can raise at least that much more in revenue through ticket sales and thinks of that ilk. Of course, the Heels are crazy if they think they can land someone like Brown or Frank Beamer. I'd think a more likely candidate would be a top-notch coordinator (maybe the Michigan defensive coordinator English, who I mentioned earlier, or a guy like Bo Pellini) or a coach like Frank Solich of Ohio whose looking to move back up into a power conference.

[gatarheel]

Well I agree with Lefty, trying to eat $260,000 is hard, but then again it's UNC we have the money, but I think we should only let J.B. go if we can land a top notch coach, People forget Mack was a nobody before he came to the Hill and he use the Hill as a step stone to get to a better place.

I think we can land a great coach, but I must say we are a basketball school and football will never have the backing form the schools powers that be, so some of this is us just dreaming. Football could win a title and people on campus and around the country still would say thank God for its basketball season, That's one the reason's Mack left and one of the reasons The Old Ball Coach wanted to come to the Hill because football was not number 1 on anybody list here, thats why J.B. has lasted so long as coach.

[kylegoheels]

gatarheel is right. Carolina affords what Carolina wants. But, baring Chan Gailey knocking on baddour's door here are the top 5 reasons we probably should stick with bunting in the near future (assuming there is no threatened mass exodus by the players which would indicate he does not relate and never will....sic...doherty):

5. do we really want a coker ( he'll be available in December), a bobby bowden, or even a beamer who let the players disgrace the university? bowden would have them run wind sprints. good gawd! even spurrier away from the pressure in fla. is not tolerating this crap anymore.

4. each man has a different learning curve. and if bunting gets it right a couple of years later than mac...well, he won't leave us. besides it is not fair to compare records of j.b.vs mac. no comparison with quality of teams played.

3. Roy will pitch a fit. He loves bunting. they are fellow alumni. they are on the same page in a lot of ways. you wanta get Roy mad? remember when kansas fired his a.d.?

2. top big-11 (ten, whatever) assistant coaches would get creamed in recruiting in this state and region. You guys are from from the heart of n.c. highschool football talent and lament about recent losses of top talent. hey i am from the western part of the state and have had to put up with tenn. and clemson domination for decades. big whatever coaches are spoiled. it would take them 10 years to make inroads. which brings me to.......

1. chucky the cheese, despite state's victory over b.c., is probably gone (unless he beats Carolina in Chapel Hill....huge game for both coaches). should this happen, Carolina's recruitng (and something j.b. seems to do fairly well....if only he could keep them) gets a huge boost in this region.