[Lefty Noob]

Another case of the media jumping all over rumors.

Rumors that just happen to be false, by the way. Does this hurt Young anyway?

False score gives Young wrong kind of buzz
UT QB's disputed Wonderlic grade talk of the combine

By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

INDIANAPOLIS - Like his performance in the Rose Bowl, quarterback Vince Young rallied from a huge deficit to pull out a personal victory that might have earned him millions of dollars.

On Saturday, a rumor that Young had scored a 6 on the Wonderlic test sent shock waves through the combine. No coach, scout or general manager surveyed could produce an example of a starting quarterback with a single-digit Wonderlic score.

The test — 50 multiple-choice, non-football questions in 12 minutes — is a barometer that teams use to gauge a prospect's ability to learn.

On Sunday, the combine said the test score of 6 that was being reported by some media outlets was false.

"I've been told it was inaccurate by a source good enough for me to quote it," Texans general manager Charley Casserly said Sunday afternoon.

Young took the test again and scored 16. According to Young's agent, Major Adams, the Sunday test was administered by Jeff Foster, executive director of National Scouting Combine.

"The combine officials assured us that score (6) was false and that the accurate score will be known when the combine results are given to each team," Adams said.

[rmjvol]

Sure can't help Vince Young's draft prospects.

What's the "normal" range on the NFL Wonderlic test for quarterbacks? Gotta believe that Peyton did pretty well on the wonderlic. Anybody got a list of what some previous players have scored on the Wonderlick test?

[Lefty Noob]

There's a whole list of scores at:
http://www.macmirabile.com/Wonderlic/Wonderlic.htm

Here are some of the more notable ones, though:
Drew Henson - 42, Alex Smith - 40, Eli Manning - 39, Tom Brady - 33, Steve Young - 33, John Elway - 30, Troy Aikman - 29, David Carr - 24, Brett Favre - 22, Michael Vick - 20, Dan Marino - 16, Jeff George - 10

[rmjvol]

Poking around I find that the Wonderlic company says a score under 10 means that the person will likely struggle with the job responsibilities. However, it does not mean that they can't learn. It's more along the lines of they can't learn by reading as well as they learn by non-reading methods.

Also, the Wonderlic personnel test is given by all kinds of companies, not just by the NFL. Several million people take the wonderlic test evey year. Wonderlic says a perfect score is seen about 1 out of 30,000 tests.

In the NFL, Wonderlic test scores seem to be higher based on how close you are to the ball. Offensive line has the highest average scores. Tackles average wonderlic score is 26, centers are 25, quarterbacks average 24 on the wonderlic. Guards & TE's are next at 23 & 22.

On the defense, safties & MLB's are tops at 19. I read a couple interviews where the speculation was that you don't want your corners to be too analytical. If they get burned, you don't want them overanalyzing, you want them to get out there & make the next play.

[xdavidwattsx]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

There's a whole list of scores at:
http://www.macmirabile.com/Wonderlic/Wonderlic.htm

Here are some of the more notable ones, though:
Drew Henson - 42, Alex Smith - 40, Eli Manning - 39, Tom Brady - 33, Steve Young - 33, John Elway - 30, Troy Aikman - 29, David Carr - 24, Brett Favre - 22, Michael Vick - 20, Dan Marino - 16, Jeff George - 10

With Marino scoring a 16 and Henson scoring a 42, I'd say Vince Young doesn't have much to worry about.

[Jcomp]

Originally Posted by xdavidwattsx

With Marino scoring a 16 and Henson scoring a 42, I'd say Vince Young doesn't have much to worry about.

Exactly. It's not at all indicative of how successful a quarterback is going to be. I'd rather have a proven champion at quarterback who knows how to win football games than an unproven guy with a perfect Wonderlic score any day.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

The only NFL player to score a perfect 50 was Pat McInally, a Harvard grad and a Punter...

I'd take Young with an alledged "6" over McInally in an NFL draft any day...wouldn't you???...

[wedge]

I think teams put too much emphasis on the pre-draft workouts, both physical and mental. Whomever drafts Vince Young isn't drafting him because he scored high on a stupid test. Marino scoring a 16 and Alex Smith scoring a 42 tells you right there how much value these things actually have.

Also Akili Smith goes from 15 to a 37 and that doesn't send off red flags to the Bungels? No wonder they sucked all of those years.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

The average scores in other professions look like this:

Chemist: 31
Programmer: 29
Newswriter: 26
Sales: 24
Bank teller: 22
Clerical Worker: 21
Security Guard: 17
Warehouse: 15

Of course the average programmer, nor the Average Warehouse worker can run a 40 in 4.5...sooo....what I think we need is a curve that takes into account Wonderlic scores as a function of speed in the 40... ...hey, it was jsut a thought...

[xdavidwattsx]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

..what I think we need is a curve that takes into account Wonderlic scores as a function of speed in the 40... ...hey, it was jsut a thought...

If Wonderlic results were a function of speed, we could approximate it by the following equation where s = speed:

f(s) = 1/6(s^3)+5

f(4.3) = 18.198
f(5.2) = 28.34
f(6) = 40.856

[Lefty Noob]

If Wonderlic results were a function of speed, we could approximate it by the following equation where s = speed:

f(s) = 1/6(s^3)+5

f(4.3) = 18.198
f(5.2) = 28.34
f(6) = 40.856

Wait... you lost me. I think it was somewhere after "If"

[cjg11582]

Sportscenter posted a sample Wonderlic question last night: "If a notepad costs 21 cents, how much would it cost to buy four notepads?"

I am sure this was one of the less challenging questions... but still, everything else being equal and he answered this incorrectly, depending on the circumstances it would motivate me to take Jay Cutler.

[EmpireWF]

Originally Posted by wedge

I think teams put too much emphasis on the pre-draft workouts, both physical and mental. Whomever drafts Vince Young isn't drafting him because he scored high on a stupid test. Marino scoring a 16 and Alex Smith scoring a 42 tells you right there how much value these things actually have.

Teams are about to invest anywhere from $20-$60 million dollars in these players and in some cases, hope they can rebuild their franchise. I'm sure they want to get as many 'tests' done on them as they possibly can. Being prepared come draft day is essential.

[legend]

Could you imagine handing the Wonderlic test back to Dick Butkus or Deacon Jones and telling them that they scored poorly on it?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by xdavidwattsx

If Wonderlic results were a function of speed, we could approximate it by the following equation where s = speed:

f(s) = 1/6(s^3)+5

f(4.3) = 18.198
f(5.2) = 28.34
f(6) = 40.856

....Not bad...I think due to the wider range of scores on the Wonderlic, and the relatively smaller range of times on the 40...It might be wiser to take the speed to say the 6th power and drop the 1/6 constant lower to say .002...give or take...and wipe out the second constant...thus creating a more realistic range that goes something like this...

f(4.3) = 12.6
f(4.7) = 23.8
f(5.4) = 49.5

Thus if a guy has a time of 4.3 in the 40, he can slide by with a Wonderlic score of as low as 12.6...If he is a slow mountain of a man and runs a 5.4, then he better hit at least 49.5 on the Wonderlic... ...Thus we create a Universal set standard of how to properly interpret a Wonderlic score with relations to the NFL draft....where as we know, the time on the 40 is king...

For our next class, we will tackle the subject of the Wonderlic with relations to a quarterback's ability to release the football quickly...you may all sign up for the course...how's that for geeking up the posting?...