[Full Cougar]

Who else is there to challenge him? Don't say saves either because not every team gets the same amount of save situations. I'll compare him with some other closers in the league.

Mariano Rivera
-ERA- 1.43
-strikeouts- 61
-wins- 4
-whip- 0.735

Jonathan Papelbon
-ERA- 2.01
-strikeouts- 58
-wins- 4
-whip- 0.892

Francisco Rodriguez
-ERA- 2.36
-strikeouts- 54
-wins- 2
-whip- 1.228

Billy Wagner
-ERA- 2.30
-strikeouts- 52
-wins- 0
-whip- 0.894

Joe Nathan
-ERA- 1.12
-strikeouts- 51
-wins- 0
-whip- 0.931

It looks like Nathan is the only one who looks close. However I think Mariano comes out on top.

[Phils20]

Brad LIdge.

ERA 2.19

SO 63

W 2

Saves, 28 for 28

WHIP 1.28

You can't very well ask for the best closer, and not want saves. Sounds like you have stats you want to present that colors things your way. So I gave the 28 for 28. What else matters, in the end?

[simple simon]

i also see you failed to mention that Mariano has 4 loses to go along with his 4 wins

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by simple simon

i also see you failed to mention that Mariano has 4 loses to go along with his 4 wins

I missed that.

Let me add the Lidge has a big fat zero in the loss column.

[legend]

The Phillies, if they make it to the World Series, will not have home field advantage, thanks I believe to Lidge, who did manage to choke that away in a big spot. His shaky past is eventually going to creep into his head sometime in this post-season.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by legend

The Phillies, if they make it to the World Series, will not have home field advantage, thanks I believe to Lidge, who did manage to choke that away in a big spot. His shaky past is eventually going to creep into his head sometime in this post-season.

Yep, he choked it away after being warmed up 3 times before actually being brought into what ended up being a 15 inning game.

I think they said he threw about 96 pitches with the numerous times he was warmed up.

Yep, he choked for sure.

No offense, but it just seems you are popping in negatives about the Phils in every thread you can.

If you don't like em, cool. I don't like anything sports wise that comes from NY myself, so I can understand that.

But bashing them in every thread you can diminishes your credibilty.

[legend]

I have nothing against the Phillies. I would love to see Charlie Manuel win a title and shove it down the throat of every sportswriter that has questioned his intellect. But they have a lot of question marks, like every team. Howard is a defensive liability that strikes out at record paces and Lidge needs to do it in a huge spot before I will be convinced. I don't think Utley is 100% and the rotation is less than formidable. The playoffs are about pitching and making plays and I don't think Philly is going to be able to 12-11 their way through them.

[Full Cougar]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Brad LIdge.

ERA 2.19

SO 63

W 2

Saves, 28 for 28

WHIP 1.28

You can't very well ask for the best closer, and not want saves. Sounds like you have stats you want to present that colors things your way. So I gave the 28 for 28. What else matters, in the end?

Okay so if you consider the saves Mariano Rivera also has 28 for 28. He has also given up 1 run in save situations. He has been almost unhittable this season with an amazing 1.43 ERA. So what does Brad Lidge have that Mariano dosent?

Mariano has some things that Lidge dosent.
A better ERA.
A better WHIP.

[Lefty Noob]

Lidge is also 28 for 28 and has more strikeouts than Rivera.
Joe Nathan has more saves and a better ERA than either one of them.
And let's not forget how K-Rod's been tearing up the AL this season.

[Full Cougar]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Lidge is also 28 for 28 and has more strikeouts than Rivera.
Joe Nathan has more saves and a better ERA than either one of them.
And let's not forget how K-Rod's been tearing up the AL this season.

Ok well, like I said I was staying away from saves this thread because not everyone gets the same amount of save situations. However I will give you that Nathan is having a great season.

As for Francisco Rodriguez "tearing up the AL", that is what this thread was aimed at. So I could say how K-rod has a higher ERA, has blown saves, has a higher WHIP, and how "K-rod" has less strikeouts. Which is why I think that Joe Nathan, Mariano Rievera, and now I realize Brad Lidge too are better than Francisco Rodriguez despite all of his saves.

[simple simon]

what happened last night ?

[Phils20]

With who?

If you mean the Phils, They didn't use Lidge! He says he is fine, but they didn't use him. I guess because they are on the road.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Phils20

With who?

If you mean the Phils, They didn't use Lidge! He says he is fine, but they didn't use him. I guess because they are on the road.

i meant Rivera and the Yanks

[Full Cougar]

He still has a microscopic ERA.

[suorange]

I totallly agree with you. I think Mo is the best reliever in baseball. He is on the right track again, since he saved 3 out of 3 against the O's. He's back to his old self again and that means trouble if the Yankees can just get it going offensively.