[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Wasn't that done with some thought that in the future the baseball commish would reconsider allowing Charlie Hustle into the HOF ???

Yeah, why else would Rose sign the darn thing?...at that point he has nothign to gain...yeah, he did wrong...but Baseball probably regend on the deal that was cut...so two wrongs don't make a right...but two wrongs should make the Hall.

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Wasn't that done with some thought that in the future the baseball commish would reconsider allowing Charlie Hustle into the HOF ???

Yes, he was under the impression that he needed to sign the document in order to be able to get into the Hall. Baseball is everything to this man. Do you think he would have signed if he thought it was the end for him? I also find it funny that as soon as somebody can make some money off him they loosen the rules a little. They have never taken any of his memorabilia out of the Hall. They let the Reds have a special wing to him in their museum this past season. They have a wall built from baseballs representing each hit he had.

This is an HGH thread so I will ease up on the Rose topic for a minute. For some reason, I believe Pettitte that he only used it to heal faster. I would like to know if he did it under a doctor's care. I don't remember hearing it in his statement.

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

If you are saying that yes we'll start fresh and anyone caught is gone ... then yes I agree.

Yep, I agree. Call that the steroid era in baseball and let those guys in the Hall (and Rose). But make sure that the steroid era ended last Thursday, when the Mitchell report came out. Enforce the rules going forth, outsource your testing and start testing at the minor league level like Mitchell suggested. Bottom line - don't dwell on the past, just clean up the damn game for the future.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by azrael492

Yes, he was under the impression that he needed to sign the document in order to be able to get into the Hall. Baseball is everything to this man. Do you think he would have signed if he thought it was the end for him? I also find it funny that as soon as somebody can make some money off him they loosen the rules a little. They have never taken any of his memorabilia out of the Hall. They let the Reds have a special wing to him in their museum this past season. They have a wall built from baseballs representing each hit he had.

This is an HGH thread so I will ease up on the Rose topic for a minute. For some reason, I believe Pettitte that he only used it to heal faster. I would like to know if he did it under a doctor's care. I don't remember hearing it in his statement.

As easy as it is to convict someone via media reports I also will let this mess filter out a bit. I'm not a Yankee fan but in all fairness he (Pettitte) has admitted to use. As far as I know the only implied use was during a period of time when he had an injury and wanted to get back in the game. Although his intentions are admirable the method is still wrong/illegal. As with any crime there are always extenuating circumstances and degrees of guilt. For now he's guilty only of using steroids twice. Will he be judged the same as a constant user of steroids ????

[azrael492]

I can't find it anywhere, but what are the rules regarding use under a doctor's care. What if a player had a sickness where steroids were the treatment. How long does it stay in a person's system? Would a player get suspended if he tested positive? I am not saying that is what the players were doing. I am just curious.

[EmpireWF]

HGH is not a steroid (I don't think). It's a hormone.

semantics I guess.

[Lefty Noob]

Empire's right, although it does share the effects of steroids. I believe it's next to impossible to test for as well.

[EmpireWF]

Originally Posted by azrael492

I can't find it anywhere, but what are the rules regarding use under a doctor's care. What if a player had a sickness where steroids were the treatment. How long does it stay in a person's system? Would a player get suspended if he tested positive? I am not saying that is what the players were doing. I am just curious.

A doctor wouldn't prescribe HGH for an injury such as one Pettite had at the time. As far as steroid use by a doctor for a legit medical reason, I'd think the doctor would do everything he can not to use it since the player would be tested for it. I'm not sure how it works if the player goes to MLB and informs them of his medical condition which warrants controlled steroids from a physician.

Then again, doctor's won't give anabolic steroids to patients on a whim.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Any player ever been accused of blood doping like distance runners and cyclist are from time to time?

[ThePundit]

Petitte's usage sort of damns Clemens even more, doesn't it?

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Any player ever been accused of blood doping like distance runners and cyclist are from time to time?

Not that I've ever heard, but then, does baseball even do blood testing?

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

A doctor wouldn't prescribe HGH for an injury such as one Pettite had at the time. As far as steroid use by a doctor for a legit medical reason, I'd think the doctor would do everything he can not to use it since the player would be tested for it. I'm not sure how it works if the player goes to MLB and informs them of his medical condition which warrants controlled steroids from a physician.

Then again, doctor's won't give anabolic steroids to patients on a whim.

You must not watch House.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

HGH is not a steroid (I don't think). It's a hormone.

semantics I guess.

Semantics ... yes. How about we use the term PED.

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by azrael492

You must not watch House.

I don't, but from what I've seen of the commericals, that dude wouldn't last a day if he was a real doctor.

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

I don't, but from what I've seen of the commericals, that dude wouldn't last a day if he was a real doctor.

If he were a real doctor, he would have been fired or arrested soon after he got hired.