[ThePundit]

How many more times does Ortiz have to stroll up to the plate and crack homer after homer before someone drills him? Throw in the fact that the Red Sox have drilled Jeter like 9 times over the last few years. Mussina and others have had a chance to do it but never do.....This is why I think Torre is not the manager he used to be. He doesn't manage anymore, he just sort of watches the game and whatever the players do is fine with him.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by ThePundit

How many more times does Ortiz have to stroll up to the plate and crack homer after homer before someone drills him? Throw in the fact that the Red Sox have drilled Jeter like 9 times over the last few years. Mussina and others have had a chance to do it but never do.....This is why I think Torre is not the manager he used to be. He doesn't manage anymore, he just sort of watches the game and whatever the players do is fine with him.

Look at the size of him! Would you want to be the one standing on the mound after drilling him while he starts walking towards you with an angry look on his face? The guys the size of a house! They dont call him Big Papi for nothing. Besides after being at the game where Roger Clemens drilled Mike Piazza in the head and gave him a bad concussion I dont believe "drilling", "brush backs" or any attempt to use a baseball as a weapon should be tolerated. This aint pro-wrestling. If it was id want to see that red headed contest winner with the nice legs!!

[MVB]

The Sox have hit Giambi, Rodriguez, Jeter, Posada, and Sheffield many times over the past two seasons, and the Yanks haven't gone after Manny or Ortiz.

But I do have a solution....

Why don't the Yankee pitchers JUST INTENTIONALLY WALK ORTIZ EVERY TIME HE BATS????????? Barry Bonds gets walked... Pujols gets walked... Even Johnny Gomes got walked by New York the other night... But Ortiz? No! Why?????? Even if the bases were loaded, I would rather have the Yankee pitcher intentionally walk in a run, then pitch to Ortiz. Gah! I wish I managed the Yankees.

[simple simon]

ok, i feel dirty just coming in to this forum

but it's good to see the love for Ortiz

keep in mind if you drill Ortiz he could charge the mound

id have to think Ortiz could snap Randy Johnson in 1/2 like a twig

i think i need a shower now and maybe ill throw up, being so close to Yankee Nation does that to me

[MVB]

Sorry, we have that affect on you...

Every batter gets hit now and then, Ortiz is no exception. He should be plunked like every other batter, and not loose his temper. Look at how many times Jeter is plunked every year, and how many times has he charged the mound?

[Bishop]

Ortiz could snap just about every pitcher in the league EXCEPT the 6'10" Johnson. I mean hes the same size as former pro-wrestler Big John Studd! Ortiz vs. Johnson in a Steel Cage Match! Anyway I mean all these beaning pitches are just plain stupid. Its the guys job to go up there an hit...preferably homeruns if possible! Hes not doing anything wrong that deserves "warning pitches." And all that "its part of the game" is buffalo droppings to me. Nowadays steroids are part of the game so should we just shrug our shoulders at that too saying lines like "thats just the way it is." Like I said I saw Piazza nearly get killed by a Roger Clemens head shot all for the crime of hitting the guy well. These guys have families to support so if your gonna use the baseball as projectile to do damage to a batter than the batter should have the right to use the bat as a defense against that. Walk up to the mound and club him over the head if he plays some chin music on you. Anyone remember when Mets pitcher David Cone threw a close one to Dodgers Pedro Guerrero and Guerrero threw the bat at him?

[MVB]

Well, if a pitcher hits one of your team's players, then you have to retaliate. Not out of revenge, but you can't allow your players to be hit. Hitting a batter sends a message. Now what Clemens did to Piazza was just plain wrong, no need to A) throw to hurt B) even throw a fastball C) throw at a batter's head.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by MVB

Well, if a pitcher hits one of your team's players, then you have to retaliate. Not out of revenge, but you can't allow your players to be hit. Hitting a batter sends a message. Now what Clemens did to Piazza was just plain wrong, no need to A) throw to hurt B) even throw a fastball C) throw at a batter's head.

I agree with you on Clemens/Piazza. I was there at the stadium and saw Piazza drop like a house of cards and his batting helmet cracked. The fans were booing Clemens (and I was one of them) despite their hatred of the Mets. I personally wanted Clemens suspended for the rest of year after that and im a Yankee fan. Still Piazza is a man and a good one apparently so theres no reason to try and murder him which Clemens was an inch away from doing. As for retaliation if a pitcher decides to go headhunting then my suggestion is its reviewed by the commissioner and the ump present and if indeed he tried to cause injury by throwing a baseball at a mans skull then the pitcher is suspended for the year without pay. That "without pay" would eradicate just about every intentional head toss because if theres one thing major league baseball players care about more than their stats its their wallets! In short the retaliation should be done by officials not the opposing team. If the opposing team wants to retaliate than wait for him after the game and fight him in the parking lot. This isnt a hockey game where we need enforcers and this headhunting or retaliation's time has passed from the days of Ruth and DiMaggio. It no longer belongs on a MLB field in front of children and players families.

[MVB]

In short the retaliation should be done by officials not the opposing team. If the opposing team wants to retaliate than wait for him after the game and fight him in the parking lot.

No, no... that would be really bad. First of all, if a pitcher hits a batter on your team in the middle of the game... you have to retaliate in the game. The officials silly little punishments are nothing. Yeah, the players are fined a couple grand, big deal. If you throw a ball at someone, expect for a ball to be thrown back. Secondly, if there were fights in the parking lots, there would be no umpires to break it up. The parking lot fights would end in serious injuries. Hitting batters is part of the game. Hitting batters with fastballs in the head, should result in serious punishment.

[MJHMarc]

But see, the pitchers don't get beaned back. Another player would have to pay for the pitcher's behavior. That isn't fair, but that's baseball.

[MVB]

Yeah, that's how the sport goes.... If a pitcher from New York beans a batter from Boston, the Boston pitcher is gonna bean a New York batter. If the New York batter doesn't like it, he should go yell at his own team's pitcher for beaning the Boston batter in the first place.

[MJHMarc]

MVB now has understood the whole concept and continues to educate other GoTeamsGo users on it. Spread along the good word.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by MJHMarc

But see, the pitchers don't get beaned back. Another player would have to pay for the pitcher's behavior. That isn't fair, but that's baseball.

"But that's baseball" is not good enough for this baseball fan. Why not take it out to the parking lot? This pitcher is trying to kill you with a baseball? If a man in the stadium threw a rock at your head and you saw him in the parking lot what would you do? Me? I'd take the rock and make him eat it. So if Ortiz gets beaned then he should wait for the pitcher to leave and say "Hello mr. headhunter, im here to kick your a**!" Of course im being extreme, I dont want it to be like that either guys so I say let the MLB commitee get involved and if you use a baseball to intentionally injure someone...your banned for a year without pay. Watch how quick "beanballs" stop then! I dont ever want to see another Clemens/Piazza. I was in Yankee Stadium when it happened. If the ball went an inch to the left and hit his temple Piazza would be dead now. Would that be "part of baseball?"

[MJHMarc]

Hold on there, Bishop. You said that beaning should result in a full-year ban without pay.

But what happens if the beaner wasn't intensional?

[legend]

First of all, Mike Myers isn't going to get Ortiz out. You need a lefty with a big sweeping curveball to try to do that. Secondly, why hasn't ortiz ever come under the cloud of suspicion of steroids? Ever see his home run numbers in the Homerdome in Minnesota compared to what they are now. I saw him play in New Britain back in 1997, he was half the size he is now. Third of all, anybody that stands at home and watches his home run sail out of the park deserves to be drilled. The reason they aren't a lot of the time is that these guys share the same agent, or they are too friendly. Pedro was more than happy to hit Yankee after Yankee over the years, and he never shied away form it. Torre needs to get with it order retaliation when it is called for.