[simple simon]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

To whom is the Bonds case special ???

i meant that many people try to excuse many like Mac, Sosa and Bonds because they have never failed a test and there is no other evidence

i say Bonds is special because i believe there actually is evidence that he has used roids (his body growing in a manner roids is known to cause) .... this in my mind puts him in a class by himself without any positive tests

[EmpireWF]

C'mon Simon, unless there is a positive test somewhere, there's no real "proof." Mac and Sosa were HUGE circa 1998...it doesn't take a genius to figure out why lol

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

C'mon Simon, unless there is a positive test somewhere, there's no real "proof." Mac and Sosa were HUGE circa 1998...it doesn't take a genius to figure out why lol

I have to agree with this one for sure. The arms on both of those guys are/were as big as my thighs. That doesn't happen just from swinging a bat and working out. If so then why wasn't Ali a monster ???

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

C'mon Simon, unless there is a positive test somewhere, there's no real "proof." Mac and Sosa were HUGE circa 1998...it doesn't take a genius to figure out why lol

I agree...very little difference between Mac (look at how he looked when he broke in with the A's, he was kinda skinny, Sosa and Bonds...their bodies look very similar...

and proof is needed...I mean can we make the assumption that because Sammy was caught with a corked bat that every 500 homerun hitter in the league corks his bat?...or do we need some proof?

[ThePundit]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

you can't my black and white man...if you take Bonds record, do you also take away World Series titles etc...from teams that had guys 'suspected of Roids?"...do you go back to Maris as the record etc?...that would kill the sport..having said that, I hate Selig

Team records should stand but individual records should be cut out...Bonds, Sosa, McGwire....That's my opinion.

[Lefty Noob]

You know what? I like the idea of stripping guys of personal records without proof. While we're at it, let's take away Cal Ripken's consecutive games played streak. There was one game back in the middle of the streak where he looked different, so I'm going to assume that it wasn't actually him, that he used a stand-in and doesn't deserve the record. Nolan Ryan's 7 no hitters? He had to have been using something illegal in at least one or two of them, right, because no one can possibly be in good enough shape to throw that many no-hitters over that many years without putting some banned substance in his body, right?

Proof? We don't need no stinking proof?

[MJHMarc]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

You know what? I like the idea of stripping guys of personal records without proof. While we're at it, let's take away Cal Ripken's consecutive games played streak. There was one game back in the middle of the streak where he looked different, so I'm going to assume that it wasn't actually him, that he used a stand-in and doesn't deserve the record. Nolan Ryan's 7 no hitters? He had to have been using something illegal in at least one or two of them, right, because no one can possibly be in good enough shape to throw that many no-hitters over that many years without putting some banned substance in his body, right?

Proof? We don't need no stinking proof?

I don't understand why it's important, anymore.

If they did use performance enhancing drugs, what good does that do now?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by ThePundit

Team records should stand but individual records should be cut out...Bonds, Sosa, McGwire....That's my opinion.

See, that makes no sense to me (sorry Pundit)...it's like saying, "Yeah, we busted Chris Webber and the Fab Five etc, but Michgan doesn't have to give back the title."...

My point is, you can't go back and wipe out the late 90's...it is what it is..."The LIVE ball era"...

[LSC9901]

Obviously there is nothing that can or will be done now. Now being the key word here. My feeling is that there was some type of body enhancing drugs being used by "some" players and records were broken by these guys. Today is a new day and since most observers agree that the records, as they stand now, are a bit false in some cases. So why not do something today to put sports back into the perspective that they should be. If more testing is what needs to be done then do it. How can anyone making millions of dollars per year complain about drug testing when it comes to the sanctity of records. If you're not using them then the testing will be a non issue. If they are you'll hear the claims of invasion of privacy. Right ???