[legend]

This is the same dope who was high fiving fans after his first homer and he always seemed to be doing or saying the wrong thing. Minaya is not an idiot along the lines of the Kazmir regime, and I am certain he talked to the Twins about a Santana deal. The problem is that Minnesota needs pitching in return, and the Mets have NONE to offer.

[ThePundit]

If Milledge had all of this supposed baggage, why didn't the Mets trade him last year when his value was much higher or 2 years ago, when they could have brought back a top line pitcher for him?

This deal still makes no sense to me.

[EmpireWF]

MLB "insiders" have said there was no way Milledge was going to bring back a starter at this point. So I assume knowing that, the Mets felt like getting two fresh players who will start for them.

The holdup for fans though, Milledge is a 22-year old guy with a ton of potential. Whether he fulfills that, who knows. He certainly didn't until this point. But it's not like he had a big chance to do anything. Church is almost 30-years old and we know what kind of player he is.

[azrael492]

At least let him start the season and give him the opportunity to play. Even if he wasn't as good as billed, they could get some nothing players for him.

[EmpireWF]

Without knowing any of the Met officials and their opinions on Milledge from a personal level, their options were:

1) Keep Milledge and start him in RF. Milledge continues to let down offensively. Value lessens even more.
2) Keep Milledge and start him in RF. Milledge actually hits well. Mets keep him or look to deal him for a "better" package.
3) Trade Milledge for the best package right now.

[Lefty Noob]

This is all well and good, but didn't they refuse to part with him in a deal for Dontrelle Willis at one point? Shoulda pulled the trigger back then.

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

Without knowing any of the Met officials and their opinions on Milledge from a personal level, their options were:

1) Keep Milledge and start him in RF. Milledge continues to let down offensively. Value lessens even more.
2) Keep Milledge and start him in RF. Milledge actually hits well. Mets keep him or look to deal him for a "better" package.
3) Trade Milledge for the best package right now.

They could still get the junk players they got for him even if he didn't hit well this year. He is only 22. They should have held out for a better offer.

[EmpireWF]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

This is all well and good, but didn't they refuse to part with him in a deal for Dontrelle Willis at one point? Shoulda pulled the trigger back then.

I don't know about that. But it was reported two years ago Beane wanted Milledge but the Mets wouldn't part with him. I don't know for sure but I think the Mets could have gotten Zito for a deal with Milledge as the big prospect.

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

I don't know about that. But it was reported two years ago Beane wanted Milledge but the Mets wouldn't part with him. I don't know for sure but I think the Mets could have gotten Zito for a deal with Milledge as the big prospect.

They should count themselves as lucky that trade didn't go through.

[EmpireWF]

Gotham Baseball puts the trade into perspective.

They note Milledge may end up developing into a nice player down the line, but the Mets aren't interested in waiting. Milledge doesn't seem to be developing power, has spent time on the DL and still has "youthful" issues. They example Milledge getting suspended for a few games for arguing a call down the stretch last year, then inciting the Marlins in the final series.

[azrael492]

They can spin it anyway they want. It is still a bad trade. They should have gotten more.

[EmpireWF]

It all depends on his value around the league. Who knows what kind of deal they could have gotten that was better than Schneider/Church.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by azrael492

They can spin it anyway they want. It is still a bad trade. They should have gotten more.

exactly...I think its all spin...it was still a bad trade.

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

It all depends on his value around the league. Who knows what kind of deal they could have gotten that was better than Schneider/Church.

I am not trying to be argumentative, but there is no way I will believe the best they could have gotten for a 22yr old stud 5 tool prospect were these two stiffs. They are not trying to better the club if that is what they thought was equal value even in this market.

[EmpireWF]

Originally Posted by azrael492

I am not trying to be argumentative, but there is no way I will believe the best they could have gotten for a 22yr old stud 5 tool prospect were these two stiffs. They are not trying to better the club if that is what they thought was equal value even in this market.

That's the issue though, whether other teams saw Milledge as a five-tool guy.

You're looking at Milledge as if this is 2005 and he's the Mets #1 prospect. If he is that same player, no doubt the Mets didn't get equal value. But if he's not that player, the deal isn't as bad as it seems.