[EmpireWF]

Eli Manning has secured another abysmal second half during his career. Perhaps the best spin anyone can put out there is he didn't turn the ball over last night and is the first Giants QB since the early 90s to lead the team to consecutive playoff births.

Either way, Eli Manning has shown his best and worst in his young career. Some Giants fans don't like the kid and seriously want him benched or worst. Other, more reasonable folks, think the kid needs some more time learning and developing his game. I'm here to say perhaps if he had some real wide receivers he would play better. Plaxico (without Shockey who did not play) was the only real deep threat. David Tyree is a special teamer (and a great one no doubt) and Sinorice Moss is probably not even prepared to play wideout yet. How can anyone expect Manning to do well in this sort of situation?

When Shockey plays next week under Gilbride and his new playcalling, it will be interesting to see whether they continue to run Tiki to the moon. They've got to do that and keep Eli in safe patterns.

And besides, it's not like he has a defense to help him out. Boy does Tim Lewis make Johnnie Lynn look like Jim Johnson. Lewis' schemes are cookie cutter and besides, the talent is probably not even that good. It's a shame the defense is still falling victim to passers...which doesn't spell good when they will face Jeff Garcia (or the Cowboys) next weekend.

Nevertheless, if the new playcalling is more like last night with heavy doses of Tiki, the Giants can go deep into the NFC playoffs. Of course, nobody expects the NFC to defeat the AFC this year.

[Notorious C.L.E.]

Right now, Eli Manning's mechanics are fundamentally incorrect. Critics of his should go back and watch him at Ole Miss, then juxtapose his mechanics at that time with his mechanics now. The difference is night and day. Tom Coughlin has only hindered Eli's maturation process, as it seems he never required the maintainence of proper form. If I were a part of the Giants brass, I would be pushing hard for Eli to go back to his roots during the offseason and work with David Cutcliffe. Muscle memory isn't something that happens overnight, but it is a start.

Remember Giants fans: John Elways struggled similarly in his first three years. He turned out to be decent, didn't he?

[Nuke]

Elway didn't have the talent Eli had around him, particularly the running game. The most disturbing fact about Eli is that he is seemingly getting worse not better as time goes by. Also he has no will to win and sulks when the slightest thing goes wrong. A good QB (like Elway) shakes it off but not Eli. I just don't think Eli has the accuracy to hit NFL reciever timing patterns or make good decisions when throwing the ball. He only has two passes it seems, the jump ball to Burress and short pass to Barber. When the selling point of a player with his high expectations and low production is "he didn't turn the ball over last night " you have to figure that he's another big time college QB who couldn't make it in the NFL. A good QB would have shredded the Eagles last night and taken it upon himself to win the game but I think such is beyond Eli Manning's talent.

[ThePundit]

Manning is not accurate and that's a very tough thiing to imporve. He also shows no leadership ability on the field. Considering what the Giants gave up for him and the success of Phillip Rivers and Benn Rotherlisberger, I think Eli is going to go down as a big bust!

[azrael492]

Since Elway has already been brought up, I will keep using him.

How many times did the Giants have great field position to start a drive. If I remember right, they even started a few times in Philly territory in the 1st half. Would Elway have only left with 10 points if he was starting on the opponents side of the field. If the Giants had a better leader on the field, this game would not have even been close.

[Nuke]

Originally Posted by ThePundit

Manning is not accurate and that's a very tough thiing to imporve. He also shows no leadership ability on the field. Considering what the Giants gave up for him and the success of Phillip Rivers and Benn Rotherlisberger, I think Eli is going to go down as a big bust!

I think that BUST label is about to applied to Eli next year after another year of sulking and missing wide open recievers.

[EmpireWF]

Rivers success? He's been apart of ONE great Chargers REGULAR SEASON. As Parcells said, let's hold it before we get the annointing oil.

Eli does seem to have an accuracy problem. But it's not like his receivers are always wide open. Especially with Toomer out, besides Plax they have no wide receivers basically. Shockey, is his own man and DEFINITELY should have been thrown to more. But is it Eli's fault or playcalling?

Eli is not going to be the ra-ra, boisterous type of player his brother is. He's got his own way and shouldn't be counted on to be the locker room leader. That's another reason it sucks Tiki's gone.

[Nuke]

There is a better chance of Winston Churchill breakdancing on the 50 yard line at the SuperBowl in a month while kicking a fieldgoal and then doing a striptease before running off naked than Eli Manning ever being anything more than an average quarterback. I don't think I can be any clearer than that...or visual.

[Lefty Noob]

Ha ha! Funny stuff... but accurate. Eli just doesn't have the fire to be an NFL QB. He's got no leadership qualities whatsoever and doesn't appear to be the decision maker his big brother is. Choosing him over Rivers was a mistake that will haunt the Giants for years to come.

Still trippin' on "Winston Churchill doing a striptease" by the way...

[EmpireWF]

I just find it a bit funny about all the knocks on Eli...he did help bring the Giants back from a 20-10 deficit in the second half.

He's no Peyton, but nobody's asking him to be.

[Nuke]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

I just find it a bit funny about all the knocks on Eli...he did help bring the Giants back from a 20-10 deficit in the second half.

He's no Peyton, but nobody's asking him to be.

He's supposed to help bring his team back. That's what a player does for his team at least! I mean you can't use every little thing he does as a positive for him. Yes, he helped. Thats good but frankly so could the dozens of backup QBs around the league have done the same thing at a tenth of the price. And no nobody's asking him to be the dissecter of defenses that Peyton is but the Giants are asking Eli to start completing more than 53% of his passes. He's gonna have to start doing more cuz Barber is not gonna be there in 07 and it's gonna be a LOT harder for someone who isn't that good in the first place...looking in Eli's eyes sometimes I don't even think he believes in himself. BUST!!!

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Ha ha! Funny stuff... but accurate. Eli just doesn't have the fire to be an NFL QB. He's got no leadership qualities whatsoever and doesn't appear to be the decision maker his big brother is. Choosing him over Rivers was a mistake that will haunt the Giants for years to come.

Still trippin' on "Winston Churchill doing a striptease" by the way...

Through the 1st 3 seasons of his pro career Terry Bradshaw threw for 56 interceptions...his qb rating never passed the 65 ponit mark until 1975...and yet he ended up with 4 super bowl wins...not everyone develops over night...the Kid will be fine...

[ThePundit]

[quote]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

Eli does seem to have an accuracy problem. But it's not like his receivers are always wide open. Especially with Toomer out, besides Plax they have no wide receivers basically. Shockey, is his own man and DEFINITELY should have been thrown to more. But is it Eli's fault or playcalling?

Eli is not going to be the ra-ra, boisterous type of player his brother is. He's got his own way and shouldn't be counted on to be the locker room leader. QUOTE]

Seems to have an accuracy problem? He misses wide open receivers all the time. He throws the ball at their feet, over their heads, and behind them.

The other day in the Eagles game, one play Tiki was wide open in the flat for a first down, and Manning didn't even look at him. Instead, he zeroed in on the only guy he ver throws to - Burress - who was triple covered.

I don't ask that he lead in the locker room. He has to lead on the field. There's a difference.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

[quote=ThePundit;80924]

Seems to have an accuracy problem? He misses wide open receivers all the time. He throws the ball at their feet, over their heads, and behind them.

The other day in the Eagles game, one play Tiki was wide open in the flat for a first down, and Manning didn't even look at him. Instead, he zeroed in on the only guy he ver throws to - Burress - who was triple covered.

I don't ask that he lead in the locker room. He has to lead on the field. There's a difference.

He is also only 3 years into a pro career...and has 48 tds in the past two seasons...you guys make him sound like the second coming of Ryan Leaf...

[EmpireWF]

[quote=Gotham Dark Knight;80928]

Originally Posted by ThePundit

He is also only 3 years into a pro career...and has 48 tds in the past two seasons...you guys make him sound like the second coming of Ryan Leaf...

Exactly. I'm not calling the kid the second coming of Peyton or Montana or anything. But he's no Leaf or Akili Smith. The kid has shown he can play, but he's still learning. Don't you guys think the lack of having Amani Toomer for half the season (his most consistant receiver) hindered him a bit this year?

The thing I'm a bit worried about for next year is the lack of Tiki Barber. Hopefully they can find someone to at least combine with Jacobs to do well enough that Eli can still do the playaction stuff.