[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Ellison

Nah, I'm not overdoing it. He is overrated. He is not among the greatest of all time. He is a product of the system. One that gives him 10 seconds to find the open receiver.

2005 Denver - 3 INTs awful game
2006 NYJ - very good game
2006 Chargers - 3 INTs awful game
2006 Indy - 2 INTs, crunch time INT, bad game
2007 Jax - the most overrated performance ever, 1 pass over 10 yds. good game, not great.
2007 SD - 3 INTs awful game.
2007 NYG - 0 INts but played awful, even when he had time, overthrows, bounced passes, skittish play.

5 of his last 7 playoff games were clunkers.

the fans are obnoxious. if they suggest that Brady is one of the best Qbs ever, that's obnoxious, go watch some more ESPN. If they suggest these Patsies were one of the best teams ever, that's obnoxious, first off 18 - 1, nuff said, second , the 85 bears would have eaten Brady alive. They aren't even the best team this year.

Not taking anything away from the Giants defensive performance. They were great. However, Brady had chances, he blew them. Alot of overthrows and bounce passes. He's not an accurate passer. If he was so great, so magical, they would have won. Instead, he was pressured and turned into the real Tom Brady, the 6th round pick back up. Like someone said, it's easy to imitate the greats when you have as much time as you need to find a WR. O-VER-RA-TED.

I am a fan and here is the definition of obnoxious:

1. Very annoying or objectionable; offensive or odious

I now challenge you to show where and how I, a fan, fit that category.

[Bette]

It sucks to lose, but it doesnt suck to be a Pats fan, or a Cowboy fan, or Bears fan, or whatever. There's a diff.
And yes, simon is at work. He said so last night.
So the Pats lost last night, Giants won and the world is still turning this morning. Dang people, it was a good game and lived up to its hype. What more could any football fan ask for?
(Except that it was your team that won!)

[Lefty Noob]

Ben Roethlesberger and Phillip Rivers better than Tom Brady? I know you don't like the guy, but... COME ON! Can we put things in perspective here? If you want to say that Montana's better, Marino, Elway, even Favre, I can see the argument. But to claim that Roethlesberger, especially, is a better quarterback than Brady? Roethlesberger's just barely the best quarterback on his own TEAM!

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Yep, I agree completely. 'Choke' implies that you cost yourself the game, when clearly credit is due to Eli and that the New York D.

I'll agree with that. No choke. They just got beat, by Eli and the Giants D. The Giants on a whole wanted it more. Bradsaw fumbled the ball, but jerked it out of the Pats player to keep posession. Giants just wanted it more.

[simple simon]

why yes actually i went to work before 7 this morning and only now got home ..... i have a life outside of sports ...... something some should try

and thanks to LSC and Bette for pointing that out

yeah i talked up the Pats all season ... im a fan .. what else would you have me do ........ and im here now to take all you people can throw at me .... i hide from no one

does it suck to be a Pats fan ? ........ wow i find that even ridiculous that it was asked ...... our team has won 3 Super Bowls less then a decade ago and just won the AFC Championship game ...... how could it possibly suck to be a fan of the Patriots ? ..... because they lost the Super Bowl ? ..... then the fans of 30 other teams must be devastated as they didnt even make the Super Bowl ...... by that logic those fans must all be really pissed eh

as for Tom Brady having all the advantages ... thats plain silly ........ Manning isnt in a system to succeed ? ........ Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James never helped him succeed ?

as for Tom Brady not being a top 5 of the active QBs playing right now .... thats insane ..... Eli strings together 1 real good season and he is better then Brady ? ........ thats past insane ... as for the rest of them .... it doesnt even deserve a reply

[Geechee843]

i'm just pointin out that manning isnt in an offense where they put 5 wr's on teh field, snap outta the 'gun, and have an all time great offfensive line. i was simply saying that brady gets more than twice as much time as any other quarterback, how is that not an advantage? offensive line is the hey to any team, not the receivers star power. when brady had to settle for only having the same amount of time as every other qb, he got flusterd. and it waas painfully obvious. he had great protection several wide open receivers that he severly over/underthrew and even bounced the most elementary passes into the ground. brady is a hall of fame qb but he's not captain america like everyone thinks he is. you could tell by his facial expressions and demeanor in teh end of the second quarter that he was already upset, yelling at receivers and breaking down mechanically . i didnt say it sucks to be a pat fan. fanhood is fanhood, you gotta stick by your team no matter what

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by simple simon

why yes actually i went to work before 7 this morning and only now got home ..... i have a life outside of sports ...... something some should try

and thanks to LSC and Bette for pointing that out

yeah i talked up the Pats all season ... im a fan .. what else would you have me do ........ and im here now to take all you people can throw at me .... i hide from no one

does it suck to be a Pats fan ? ........ wow i find that even ridiculous that it was asked ...... our team has won 3 Super Bowls less then a decade ago and just won the AFC Championship game ...... how could it possibly suck to be a fan of the Patriots ? ..... because they lost the Super Bowl ? ..... then the fans of 30 other teams must be devastated as they didnt even make the Super Bowl ...... by that logic those fans must all be really pissed eh

as for Tom Brady having all the advantages ... thats plain silly ........ Manning isnt in a system to succeed ? ........ Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James never helped him succeed ?

as for Tom Brady not being a top 5 of the active QBs playing right now .... thats insane ..... Eli strings together 1 real good season and he is better then Brady ? ........ thats past insane ... as for the rest of them .... it doesnt even deserve a reply

Eli better than Brady... he was in that game last night. All season? Brady had it goin til last night. Glad you came in to take the heat. You ain't gonna get much from me. I gave it out already.... last night that is. I've had my fun.... unless you want some more? Then I would be happy to oblige

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Geechee843

i was simply saying that brady gets more than twice as much time as any other quarterback, how is that not an advantage?

i dont see that as the case .... i may be blinded by being a Pats fan but i dont think so

when brady had to settle for only having the same amount of time as every other qb, he got flusterd. and it waas painfully obvious.

were we watching the same game ? ....... name me 2 QB's that would have had a better game

he had great protection several wide open receivers that he severly over/underthrew and even bounced the most elementary passes into the ground.

when he had the great protection youre talking about he led them down the field for TD's twice

brady is a hall of fame qb but he's not captain america like everyone thinks he is. you could tell by his facial expressions and demeanor in teh end of the second quarter that he was already upset, yelling at receivers and breaking down mechanically .

yeah he had a bit of a meltdown there .... is he the only QB that ever yelled at a receiver ? ...... i noticed when he wildly overthrew Welker and then it looked like the yelled at Welker for not making the catch ....... do you happen to remember the game (AFC Championship i believe it was) when Peyton threw his offensive line under the bus ?

i didnt say it sucks to be a pat fan.

that was in no way directed at you .... my post was directed at several people all together

fanhood is fanhood, you gotta stick by your team no matter what

damn straight

[Seahawker 562]

Good game. I dont think the pats choked. I just think the last drive by ny resulting in a TD had some outrageous plays, they made mistakes, but didnt choke

[simple simon]

if the Giants won the game 35-3 then i would say the Pats choked ....... they gave it their all and on this day it wasnt enough ... plain and simple

[Seahawker 562]

Originally Posted by simple simon

if the Giants won the game 35-3 then i would say the Pats choked ....... they gave it their all and on this day it wasnt enough ... plain and simple

my point Egg sack lee

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by simple simon

if the Giants won the game 35-3 then i would say the Pats choked ....... they gave it their all and on this day it wasnt enough ... plain and simple

Yep, if they had played lousy, it's a choke. But they played well, and credit should be given the Giants for playing better on that given Sunday.