[bears9]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I'm retired. Simon has 6 kids at home. He may be at work. Besides I can't speak for him. Just as the accusations say "Pat's fans ... obnoxious" is way off base. Prove in my postings that I am.

I wasn't one of the people calling Pats fans obnoxious so don't go tirade on me.

[Ellison]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

.... Is filming the opposition during the game illegal ???
........

see filming the game is normal. however, filming the other team's coaches for play signals, jamming head sets, and taping practices before super bowls is cheating. patriots needed that advantage. it explains alot too.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Ellison

THANK YOU, someone with some common sense. Brady is the product of the system and the media. SO SO SO overrated. When he has all day to throw I guess Brady is pretty good though ... haha.

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that is why Brady is even considered along the best players of all time. It's because that channel forces it every chance they get. Peyton always has and always will be better. After yesterday, Eli is better too. Eli made things happen, escaping pass rush, scrambling, staying calm ... Eazy-E.

Not having taped the opponents plays makes the game a bit tougher doesnt it. It's all tainted, every single one, all earned by cheating. It's all crumbling apart.

PS - did anyone mention that the Patriots season was rendered meaningless by Eli ... hahaha. Thanks man. 18-1 gets you nothing.

So I guess you are in fact saying that the Pat's DID tape the other 17 games they won ????

[Ellison]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

So I guess you are in fact saying that the Pat's DID tape the other 17 games they won ????

no not taping specifally, but i wouldnt be surprised if they were "cheating" in some other fashion. come on, that's how they are. cheaters plain and simple, nothing more.

not to get off topic, but i now love how they had to run up scores of games that were completely over, just so the most overrated QB in the history of the NFL could get the record. Karma's a ....

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by bears9

I wasn't one of the people calling Pats fans obnoxious so don't go tirade on me.

Easy there Bears. I'm not on any tirade. I'm not the one saying it sucks to be a Pat's fan and I'm not the one who made the tasteless "obnoxious" comment. I was merely quoting what has been said and defending myself as not being obnoxious ... unless of course someone can show where I've made a serious comment to the contrary. It wasn't pointed at you cowpoke.

[bears9]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Easy there Bears. I'm not on any tirade. I'm not the one saying it sucks to be a Pat's fan and I'm not the one who made the tasteless "obnoxious" comment. I was merely quoting what has been said and defending myself as not being obnoxious ... unless of course someone can show where I've made a serious comment to the contrary. It wasn't pointed at you cowpoke.

I was just pointing out it sucks to have your team lose the Super Bowl, how is that obnoxious?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Ellison

no not taping specifally, but i wouldnt be surprised if they were "cheating" in some other fashion. come on, that's how they are. cheaters plain and simple, nothing more.

not to get off topic, but i now love how they had to run up scores of games that were completely over, just so the most overrated QB in the history of the NFL could get the record. Karma's a ....

And the Pat's are the only team to have ever put up more points than necessary or did I miss where you posted about that ????

Unless you can prove they were cheating in some other fashion it seems that you are making media type statements. I challenge you to show me/us where other violations occured this year and another team that hasn't done the same. Coaches cover their mouths for a reason when they talk into the mics. ALL COACHES. Is the entire league tainted ??

[Geechee843]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

OK then give me 5 teams that are cheaters in the same way that the team of the Patriots cheated. The team did not cheat. Is filming the opposition during the game illegal ???

You are complaining about the media to the wrong person. I have a great distaste for the media so your complaint about what ESPN is talking about is falling on deaf ears


I don't see how Brady is overrated just as much as you don't see how every other QB is overrated. The O line yesterday didn't do what was needed. Simple enough. The fact that many other teams have the same issue doesn't change the fact that generally the Pat's O line does offer it therefore giving Brady more time. Is that his fault ??? It's all about team effort.

Geez ... you people get all wound up over a game, a person, a play. The better team won yesterday. Chances are you had breakfast this morning. Will your world change dramatically because of a win or a loss ????

Really ...............

no no dont get me wrong. i not sating the o-line thing is his fault. thats his advantage.

i'm jus pointing out how they were primarily a defensive team before this season, now they got these new receivers and brady excels in that spread when he has all them on the feild at one time and is allowed 5+ seconds to throw. and how he hasnt really succeeded in a conventional offense (see superbowl)

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Ellison

No, that is him. That's who he is. He's a little different when he has as much time as he needs to find the open WR. O-VER-RA-TED.

Nah, you're overdoing it. I'm the first to argue that Peyton is better than Brady, but calling him overrated is just betraying an anti-Patriots bias.

Originally Posted by Ellison

Heavily Favored --- CHECK
In position to accomplish a tainted perfect season - CHECK

CHOKED ... yup.

Enjoy it New England, couldn't happen to a bunch of better fans. Obnoxious, .....

I know two New England fans. Neither one is obnoxious. Think what you want about the team, the coach, the players... but lay off the fans.

Originally Posted by Ellison

Brady choked. He was awful. He didn't have his luxury of ten seconds to find someone. And when he did, he was skittish and was missing wide open receivers.

And I give credit to an absolutely awesome performance to the New York Giants defensive line for that. No QB could've thrived under that kind of pressue - not Brady, not Peyton Manning, probably not even Joe Montana or Johnny Unitas. So instead of cry choke, I choose to give credit to where it's due.

[Lefty Noob]

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but New England got caught taping the Jets on week 1, right? So no way they would've taped any other games afterwards... the NFL and all the other teams would've been watching too closely for them to get away with it.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but New England got caught taping the Jets on week 1, right? So no way they would've taped any other games afterwards... the NFL and all the other teams would've been watching too closely for them to get away with it.

And Clemens might have done roids a few times back who knows when, and Big Mac did not have to do anything but not want to talk to Congress...yada, yada, yada...we taint things on speculation, don't we?

[Ellison]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Nah, you're overdoing it. I'm the first to argue that Peyton is better than Brady, but calling him overrated is just betraying an anti-Patriots bias.



I know two New England fans. Neither one is obnoxious. Think what you want about the team, the coach, the players... but lay off the fans.



And I give credit to an absolutely awesome performance to the New York Giants defensive line for that. No QB could've thrived under that kind of pressue - not Brady, not Peyton Manning, probably not even Joe Montana or Johnny Unitas. So instead of cry choke, I choose to give credit to where it's due.

Nah, I'm not overdoing it. He is overrated. He is not among the greatest of all time. He is a product of the system. One that gives him 10 seconds to find the open receiver.

2005 Denver - 3 INTs awful game
2006 NYJ - very good game
2006 Chargers - 3 INTs awful game
2006 Indy - 2 INTs, crunch time INT, bad game
2007 Jax - the most overrated performance ever, 1 pass over 10 yds. good game, not great.
2007 SD - 3 INTs awful game.
2007 NYG - 0 INts but played awful, even when he had time, overthrows, bounced passes, skittish play.

5 of his last 7 playoff games were clunkers.

the fans are obnoxious. if they suggest that Brady is one of the best Qbs ever, that's obnoxious, go watch some more ESPN. If they suggest these Patsies were one of the best teams ever, that's obnoxious, first off 18 - 1, nuff said, second , the 85 bears would have eaten Brady alive. They aren't even the best team this year.

Not taking anything away from the Giants defensive performance. They were great. However, Brady had chances, he blew them. Alot of overthrows and bounce passes. He's not an accurate passer. If he was so great, so magical, they would have won. Instead, he was pressured and turned into the real Tom Brady, the 6th round pick back up. Like someone said, it's easy to imitate the greats when you have as much time as you need to find a WR. O-VER-RA-TED.

[Lefty Noob]

Well, rate the quarterbacks, then. Where does Tom Brady fall on your list of best active NFL QBs?

[Geechee843]

Originally Posted by Ellison

Nah, I'm not overdoing it. He is overrated. He is not among the greatest of all time. He is a product of the system. One that gives him 10 seconds to find the open receiver.

2005 Denver - 3 INTs awful game
2006 NYJ - very good game
2006 Chargers - 3 INTs awful game
2006 Indy - 2 INTs, crunch time INT, bad game
2007 Jax - the most overrated performance ever, 1 pass over 10 yds. good game, not great.
2007 SD - 3 INTs awful game.
2007 NYG - 0 INts but played awful, even when he had time, overthrows, bounced passes, skittish play.

5 of his last 7 playoff games were clunkers.

the fans are obnoxious. if they suggest that Brady is one of the best Qbs ever, that's obnoxious, go watch some more ESPN. If they suggest these Patsies were one of the best teams ever, that's obnoxious, first off 18 - 1, nuff said, second , the 85 bears would have eaten Brady alive. They aren't even the best team this year.

Not taking anything away from the Giants defensive performance. They were great. However, Brady had chances, he blew them. Alot of overthrows and bounce passes. He's not an accurate passer. If he was so great, so magical, they would have won. Instead, he was pressured and turned into the real Tom Brady, the 6th round pick back up. Like someone said, it's easy to imitate the greats when you have as much time as you need to find a WR. O-VER-RA-TED.

yea i said that about how easy it is to imatate joe cool (montana) when you can have a coke and a smile before each pass. and i was about to say that he was showing the real brady (round 6, pick 199) but you said it first

and you want the qb's ranked lefty?

peyton manning
eli manning
brett favre
ben roethlisberger (i think i jus spelled right)
philip rivers (will be much better when he is back on 2 good knees)



all time greats:

elway
marino
montana
favre
manning

[ThePundit]

The Patriots were outplayed AND Outcoached.

1) The genius Belicek couldn't figure out a way to stop the Giants pass rush

2) Not kicking that field goal on 4th and 13 was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

3)On the Burress TD pass, The Giants had seen on film that that Hobbs turned sideways on out fakes, When Burress got single coverage from Hobbs, they knew to run that play.

I LOVE that the Pats lost. 18-1.