[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Wouldn't they both be wrong?? That would be the point. Cheating would be cheating.

But I guess that doesn't bother anyone. It would bother me if it was my team. I hate the Cowboys rep during the 90's, even though they won, it felt dirty having the scumbags they had on that team.

But I guess that stuff doesn't matter.

Yeah, ain it the truth

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by simple simon

and several Carolina Panthers took steroids before the 2003 Super Bowl .... blatant cheating

whats your point

That cheaters, regardless of team, should be punished? Pretty sure that's what I'm getting out of it.

[azrael492]

I had no problem wiht the first incident. I didn't feel that it was cheating. What they were filming could have been gotten just by watching the game film. Coordinators in the booth have people that take snapshots of the opposing teams lineups during the game. They can get the same info.

I do feel that if this new allegation is proven it should have repercussions. That is blatent cheating breaking into another teams practice and filming them

As for them being tarnished....not this year. They have been under a microscope all year. They did not cheat at all to win these 18 games so far. Their legacy is intact.

[Phils20]

Here is some of Drew Bledsoes comments on the whole deal.


Bledsoe suggests that the scandal has been overplayed and that stealing signals always will be part of the game. As a freshman at Washington State, he received an award from his coaches after he stole offensive calls from the sideline in a win over California; he had been able to figure out when Cal was going to run, pass or screen pass.


"Listen, that kind of stuff has been going on for as long as there have been video cameras," Bledsoe says of the accusations against the Patriots. "I know people are trying to make this out like this is some huge scandal, but it is at every level. You talk about college, you talk about high school -- people are taping stuff, and that is what they do. And they try and gain an advantage that way. And that is what the Patriots were doing."


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Drew Bledsoe, Tom Brady's backup in Super Bowl XXXVI, says he isn't aware of any foul play.


As for where teams cross the line of fair play, he says, "It is a pretty fuzzy line. Like in other realms in the world, in the business world, when you get into a highly competitive environment, people are going to try and do what they can get away with. That is not unique to football."


Another former Patriots quarterback, who spoke to ESPN.com on condition of anonymity, says that New England pushes the envelope further than most teams and that the Patriots were doing so long before they were caught in September.

The whole article can be found here, on ESPN. Kurt Warner also has some good points. Either way, this thing isn't going away. I suspect that after this season is over, the NFL will have to look into this mess.

ESPN - Ex-Ram Warner wants NFL to expand probe of Patriots - NFL

[Lefty Noob]

Definitely agree with what Warner says in the article: "You would think that if they do an investigation for the integrity of the game, that they would try to do everything possible. And maybe they did, and they just missed it. But as a purist and someone who wants to see the integrity of the game stay where it is, it is a little disappointing that they didn't [look] under every rock to figure this out and to do something to make sure it doesn't happen again."

If you're going to do an investigation, do it right. Don't just make a show of it, put some real effort into it and find out the truth, one way or another.

[Bette]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

When has that ever stopped us Simon my man???...Its GTG, where you are guilty until proven innoccent, and where the mud always seems to stick...

That's right goth, give us an idea, any idea and we will run with it. The more outrageous the better.

This is going to turn this sport upside down and inside out maybe.
It does seem as though the Pats have pushed the envelope a bit, but I still say it happens all the time.
Just a question: If I watch the center all the time and I figure out that he is going to snap the ball just after he twitches his eyes, and so make a defensive move against it, is that cheating?
If its not, how is diff from Bledsoe figuring out the opponents moves, or someone reading lips? I am getting the message here that most are saying that these things are cheating.
If they can get the same thing from watching the game film then why is it cheating filming?
And as Bledsoe says, how are we going to define the line of fair play if we decide somethings are cheating and some not.
And how do we know that this isnt all part of a plan to discredit the Pats?
I am NOT defending anyone here. I would just like to get at the truth and find some answers.

[Seahawker 562]

There should be a league where steroids are ok and cheating is encouraged. I would watch that.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Seahawker 562

There should be a league where steroids are ok and cheating is encouraged. I would watch that.

But then what would you complain about ???

[Seahawker 562]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

But then what would you complain about ???

No one could comlain about anything, thats why it would be so great

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Seahawker 562

No one could comlain about anything, thats why it would be so great

Just a matter of perception. If I was going to wish for the impossible I'd want just the opposite.

[Seahawker 562]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Just a matter of perception. If I was going to wish for the impossible I'd want just the opposite.

yeah i guess, different opinions

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Seahawker 562

yeah i guess, different opinions

So are you of the opinion that drugs and cheating are OK ???

[Seahawker 562]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

So are you of the opinion that drugs and cheating are OK ???

I would be ok with it if the league rules allowed it, sure.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Seahawker 562

I would be ok with it if the league rules allowed it, sure.

So are you for it or not ?? You're using the NFL as an excuse to give a waffling answer.

[Seahawker 562]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

So are you for it or not ?? You're using the NFL as an excuse to give a waffling answer.

No not in a league like NFL or MLB. But im saying if a new league came along which allowed roid use, i would be ok with it, actually i would be excited to watch it.