[stroker crank]

After watching several races this year, and noticing the empty seats. NASCAR needs to either ban cup owners and drivers from participating in the series, or shut it down. It has become redundant and unnecessary.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by stroker crank

After watching several races this year, and noticing the empty seats. NASCAR needs to either ban cup owners and drivers from participating in the series, or shut it down. It has become redundant and unnecessary.

Not that I disagree with keeping the cup raiders out but how is banning them going to change the number of empty seats ? I believe the economy has a part in that problem.

[JimmyFan]

Ban Cup owners???? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, someone has to have the money to field cars!

I don't like Cup drivers participating in the Nationwide Series. If someone wants to pay them a bunch of money to drive a few races, that would be fine.. I think it actually adds to the fans watching to see people they know.

To get more people in the stands, the tracks need to offer better deals for full weekend tickets.

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by JimmyFan

I don't like Cup drivers participating in the Nationwide Series. If someone wants to pay them a bunch of money to drive a few races, that would be fine.. I think it actually adds to the fans watching to see people they know.

Exactly, and I firmly believe that's why NASCAR allowed it to get to this point. The driver fans have taken over NASCAR's priorities.

Even back in the Sportsman Division days I never liked established Cup drivers in a series where they had nothing to prove, but I do understand that racers are racers and often will drive whatever they can. I've been thinking about taking maybe 3, but no more than 5 spots in the field and hold the same kind of knockout qualifying that they have for the non-chosen for any Cup driver that wants to get in. I really think it's a fair solution (as fair as it gets anyway) that's right down NASCAR's alley.

Originally Posted by JimmyFan

To get more people in the stands, the tracks need to offer better deals for full weekend tickets.

I haven't been to a NASCAR race in 8 years and don't intend to any time soon, but as far as I know, these races don't have any interactive things to keep the fans occupied besides what they are expected to pay for.

People seem to be just as interested (if not more) in a sideshow than the race nowadays, so why not have some ways for the fans to get involved like they do at hockey games? During a caution period, have some seat drawings for various things like victory lane passes after the race, driver meet and greets and such. Stuff you don't have to pay for that ups the excitment in the stands. The days of that kind of gimmick interesting me have long since passed, but in the era of the driver fan, I think that'd be a homerun.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by JimmyFan

I don't like Cup drivers participating in the Nationwide Series. If someone wants to pay them a bunch of money to drive a few races, that would be fine.. I think it actually adds to the fans watching to see people they know.

Thats true. But some people also don't watch because of the cup drivers. I belong to the last group. The only nationwide races I usually watch are the ones that aren't over run with cup drivers. I watch the cup races to see the cup drivers. I watch the nationwide races to see the nationwide drivers.

[Stewart Fan]

Originally Posted by stroker crank

After watching several races this year, and noticing the empty seats. NASCAR needs to either ban cup owners and drivers from participating in the series, or shut it down. It has become redundant and unnecessary.

No they shouldn't ban cup Owners because you gonna have a race with 6 cars? Now they should limit the amount of races a full time Cup driver can run but that's about it.....

[stroker crank]

Originally Posted by Stewart Fan

No they shouldn't ban cup Owners because you gonna have a race with 6 cars? Now they should limit the amount of races a full time Cup driver can run but that's about it.....

So how did the series survive before the cup drivers started participating? The Busch regulars were forced out beginning with cup hogs Jack Roush and Mark Martin running in the series. Then the floodgates opened. Ban cup regulars, Downsize the series a bit, add a few short tracks, they will return.

[Stewart Fan]

Originally Posted by stroker crank

So how did the series survive before the cup drivers started participating?

Yeah but times are different now.....

If you didn't have at least a few cup drivers in a race people wouldn't wanna watch and they wouldn't show up at the track. Now like I said the number of races should be limited but they shouldn't be banned all together.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Stewart Fan

No they shouldn't ban cup Owners because you gonna have a race with 6 cars? Now they should limit the amount of races a full time Cup driver can run but that's about it.....

How you gonna do that? Remember, there are Cup drivers who own their own NWS team who have a perfect right to drive their own car. Harvick, Earnhardt and Nemechek are a few names that come to mind. I could see it if the Cup owner put the kabosh on his driver driving in NWS, but not NASCAR. As long as they'll take the bucks for the license, they have little to say about who can and who cannot race (barring dangerous/banned drivers, of course.)

[Roadmaster1]

Saw a news article about the track owners painting the seats different colors within each section, kind of a camouflage. to help hide all the empty seats.

[Racer Duck]

yeah, we were discussing that last season .. I'm thinking it was calee-forrrr-nya where we saw it first. but I've slept since then and short term memory gets erased regularly when I do that.....

[Stewart Fan]

Originally Posted by Roadmaster1

Saw a news article about the track owners painting the seats different colors within each section, kind of a camouflage. to help hide all the empty seats.

I find that hard to believe......

[flflash47]

I sure do get tired of hearing the whole waawaawaa Cup drivers don't belong in Sportsman/Busch/Nationwide. It's racing if you pay your entry fee you get to race. It's not kindygarden were the teachers saying whats fair and what isnt! It,s big time auto racing if your boy doesent have what it takes to run up front, having the big Boys there gives him a chance to learn from more experianced drivers and maybe improve. Do you think your going to learn anything racing against drivers who are no better than you??? Racing is a #@$% tough sport, nobodys gonna hand you anything you better get out there and earn it or go home.

Did you notice a full time Nationwide driver Won the Cup race this week? Where do you think he would have learned how to race with the Cup guys if they did,nt show up at Nationwide races?

The Nationwide series never has had a large following even when it first came about in the 80s, so I would'nt it to draw large crowds in our current economy. If the Cup drivers being there draw a few more fans I,m thankful maybe it will keep the series alive trough tough times.

[stroker crank]

Originally Posted by Roadmaster1

Saw a news article about the track owners painting the seats different colors within each section, kind of a camouflage. to help hide all the empty seats.

Soon they may run out of paint.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by flflash47

I sure do get tired of hearing the whole waawaawaa Cup drivers don't belong in Sportsman/Busch/Nationwide. It's racing if you pay your entry fee you get to race. It's not kindygarden were the teachers saying whats fair and what isnt! It,s big time auto racing if your boy doesent have what it takes to run up front, having the big Boys there gives him a chance to learn from more experianced drivers and maybe improve. Do you think your going to learn anything racing against drivers who are no better than you??? Racing is a #@$% tough sport, nobodys gonna hand you anything you better get out there and earn it or go home.

Did you notice a full time Nationwide driver Won the Cup race this week? Where do you think he would have learned how to race with the Cup guys if they did,nt show up at Nationwide races?

The Nationwide series never has had a large following even when it first came about in the 80s, so I would'nt it to draw large crowds in our current economy. If the Cup drivers being there draw a few more fans I,m thankful maybe it will keep the series alive trough tough times.

True it's not kindergarten. But it is kinda like high school teams going back to play elemantary teams. Of course I am beginning to realize that some have to do that in order to feel like they can run good.
As far as a nationwide driver winning the cup race. Good thing he was in HMS equipment and also a good thing he's not one of the nationwide drivers that doesn't get to race everytime 10-20 cup drivers run nationwide.
I'm not saying cup drivers shouldn't race in nationwide. But I do think they should be limited. It should be 5 cup drivers per nationwide race allowed.