[Racer Duck]

I stumbled across this a short time ago and jotted it down, thinking I'd post it right away, but, for some reason didn't. I just re-discovered my note so here it is:

This is a multi part question, so, without all of the answers, the question will remain open until all the parts are completed:

How many manufacturers with wins in the "Modern Era" had no wins in the pre-modern era? Who are they, when & where did they get that 1st win and who was the driver?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I stumbled across this a short time ago and jotted it down, thinking I'd post it right away, but, for some reason didn't. I just re-discovered my note so here it is:

This is a multi part question, so, without all of the answers, the question will remain open until all the parts are completed:

How many manufacturers with wins in the "Modern Era" had no wins in the pre-modern era? Who are they, when & where did they get that 1st win and who was the driver?

A request for definition, Your Duckiness:

What are the parameters of "Modern Era? 1971 - Present?

Is "Manufacturer" defined as car brand (Chevrolet), sub brand (Camaro) or entire corporation (GM)?

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

A request for definition, Your Duckiness:

What are the parameters of "Modern Era? 1971 - Present?

Is "Manufacturer" defined as car brand (Chevrolet), sub brand (Camaro) or entire corporation (GM)?

Fair questions!

Modern Era .. 1973 to present (according to the source where I found the data)

Manufacturer .. the car brand, not model nor corporation.


one of the manufacturers is so easy anyone who misses it should receive at least 40 lashes with a wet noodle, Chinese, preferably (cause they're so much bigger!)

[Bob Tanner]

i'm looking at Mfg records as I write this and the only one I see is AMC Matador (5, '73 thru '75). This is, of course, discounting the fact that Nash had a single win but that was long before Nash and Hudson became AMC.

Mark Donahue, I believe in 1973, probably at Riverside.

Buick almost made it but they had two lone wins back in 1955.

Respecting your knowledge, I'm betting that I'm mis-reading or just plain missing something.

I'll await the answer.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

i'm looking at Mfg records as I write this and the only one I see is AMC Matador (5, '73 thru '75). This is, of course, discounting the fact that Nash had a single win but that was long before Nash and Hudson became AMC.

Mark Donahue, I believe in 1973, probably at Riverside.

Buick almost made it but they had two lone wins back in 1955.

Respecting your knowledge, I'm betting that I'm mis-reading or just plain missing something.

I'll await the answer.

OK, you got one of the manufacturers, the driver and the track .. but I need a complete date.

It was an interesting read from the NASH and Hudson up thru Jeep and to Chrysler. But one fact remained, the older models didn't carry over into the new organizations and several times the company wasn't in racing at all.

There's at least one more manufacturer. Who is it?

[LSC9901]

1 /21 /1973

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

1 /21 /1973

Correct. #1 Complete.

Who else?

[Bob Tanner]

Aaaaaaaaaaauyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Duck, I'll give you points for sneakiness! You're right, it was so obvious...

Toyota
3/9/08
Atlanta
Kyle Busch

I was tearing my hair out on this one.

[Racer Duck]

KEE-RECT!

I knew the pre-modern thing would throw people off.

There were only 2 who's fist win came in the "modern" era: AMC and Toyota.


Now, cogitate on this: if Fiat does, in fact, become the new owner of Chrysler, and if they also buy Opel from GM, anybody have a crystal ball moment about what the next brand in NASCAR might be? (How many of you know that Fiat owns Ferrari and that Fiat has been in racing for a long, long time?)

[MikeRaceDayTek]

Actually, the next brand in NASCAR looks like it's going to the Nissan. Rumor mill here in Mooresville says that they have already submitted the plans for a COT Maxima and Nationwide spec Maxima to NASCAR for approval. The next question will be what teams... Hmmmm

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by MikeRaceDayTek

Actually, the next brand in NASCAR looks like it's going to the Nissan. Rumor mill here in Mooresville says that they have already submitted the plans for a COT Maxima and Nationwide spec Maxima to NASCAR for approval. The next question will be what teams... Hmmmm

That makes sense. I just read a month ago where Nissan was getting ready to invest $118 million in it's plant north of Jackson, MS to retool to built a new model of some kind. If they'd got money to do that, they surely can come up with money to go racing at a NA__AR level.

I know it's coming but my bet was on Honda.

Now, since you're closer to the action than we, is NA__AR going to change the rule as to the manufacturer must produce a in-head valve V8 engine to accommodate Nissan, should this be true?

[kkfan91]

Originally Posted by MikeRaceDayTek

Actually, the next brand in NASCAR looks like it's going to the Nissan. Rumor mill here in Mooresville says that they have already submitted the plans for a COT Maxima and Nationwide spec Maxima to NASCAR for approval. The next question will be what teams... Hmmmm

Hey RPM needs a new manufacturer maybe Kasey could compete in a Maxima

and on the Fiat note

would they race Ferrarri? and if so would that even work cause thats a totally different type of car then NASCAR

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by kkfan91

Hey RPM needs a new manufacturer maybe Kasey could compete in a Maxima

and on the Fiat note

would they race Ferrarri? and if so would that even work cause thats a totally different type of car then NASCAR

what a picture: Kasey in a Red Maxima COT with Bud on the side pulled onto the track by a team of miniature Clydesdales! (8 hp) ... not so fast, but they can pull stumps without breaking a sweat.

nah, Fiat would probably opt for the Opel flavored COT body (after all, it isn't necessary the NASCAR version actually resemble any streetcar they may have) .. and petition NASCAR to allow them to run one of their 6 cyl, 3 liter, turbocharged engines. Nascar, seeing such a small, underpowered engine would allow them to go all the way to 4 liters (just to help make it sorta competitive.) And, since Opel used to be an American brand (many years ago .. or so many people thought), there wouldn't be any homologation issues involved....

[MikeRaceDayTek]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

That makes sense. I just read a month ago where Nissan was getting ready to invest $118 million in it's plant north of Jackson, MS to retool to built a new model of some kind. If they'd got money to do that, they surely can come up with money to go racing at a NA__AR level.

I know it's coming but my bet was on Honda.

Now, since you're closer to the action than we, is NA__AR going to change the rule as to the manufacturer must produce a in-head valve V8 engine to accommodate Nissan, should this be true?

Haven't heard a definite on the engine package.