[Bob Tanner]

98 hits on the last trivia thread...Let's start a new one.

Here's my offering and I'll be surprised if someone doesn't get this one right off the bat.

Bobby Allison is credited with 84 official NASCAR Grand National and Winston Cup wins and is tied for third on the all-time winners list with DW. However, if you total all his wins he has 85. This is verified in the Stock Car Racing Encyclopedia. (If you don't want to go through Bobby's entire history of finishes or if you don't have a NASCAR Official Press Guide nor NASCAR Offical Record Book, you'll just have to take my word that the above is correct) What is the story behind this one race discrepancy?
HINT: It involved a 1971 race.

Bonus Question: Another NASCAR driver (A Daytona winner) has the same problem. Who is he?

[BringBackWilkesboro]

I think it has somthing to do with the shortage of competetors that year. Nascar allowed for "field fillers" or non Grand National Division cars, which Bobby was driving in the race at the old Bowman Gray Stadium (i think) and thus never given credit. As for the other guy, Im not sure. I think it may Involve Johnny Beauchamp, just a guess.

[Quality88]

I'm just guessing on the bonus... was it Petty?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

I think it has somthing to do with the shortage of competetors that year. Nascar allowed for "field fillers" or non Grand National Division cars, which Bobby was driving in the race at the old Bowman Gray Stadium (i think) and thus never given credit. As for the other guy, Im not sure. I think it may Involve Johnny Beauchamp, just a guess.

BTW, welcome to the GoTeamGo NASCAR Forum, Bringback. I'm relatively new here myself and I found this group to be exceedingly friendly and knowledgeable. Please excuse some of my ramblings in my posts. I tend to be verbose and go on and on about trivial stuff. I mean well, trust me.

You almost have it. So close in fact that if someone else doesn't come up with more exact verbage, I'd give it to you.

Johnny was almost a Daytona winner, so your guess was wrong. Johnny went to victory lane and got to kiss Miss Florida but the race was a photo finish and Big Bill France declared the race results "Unofficial." 2 1/2-days later (these were the days before digital cameras and 1-Hour Photo Finishing), it was shown definatively that Lee Petty was the winner by about 3.5 feet.

Methinks that you've been following NASCAR since the BJG (Before Jeff Gordon) era. Glad to have you here.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Quality88

I'm just guessing on the bonus... was it Petty?

Nope, but an excellant try.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

I think it has somthing to do with the shortage of competetors that year. Nascar allowed for "field fillers" or non Grand National Division cars, which Bobby was driving in the race at the old Bowman Gray Stadium (i think) and thus never given credit. As for the other guy, Im not sure. I think it may Involve Johnny Beauchamp, just a guess.

The contraversy was whether or not he was a Grand National Driver, because he was driving one of the field fillers. 1970 Mustang. It happened again in 1973, I believe. Hmm, have to look it up.

[Quality88]

I was wrong about it happening again in 1973, there was a controversy over some legalities. Bob, I bet you could guess what it was.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Quality88

The contraversy was whether or not he was a Grand National Driver, because he was driving one of the field fillers. 1970 Mustang. It happened again in 1973, I believe. Hmm, have to look it up.

Another piece of the puzzle drops into place, but still not exactly correct.

However, you are so darn close...

He wasn't credited with the win because he was driving a car (70 Mustang) for the NASCAR Grand American Division. NASCAR Ran four or five Combined Races that year (Grand National and Grand American cars), alol on short tracks. The GN drivers complained that the short wheelbased compacts had an unfair advantage. The only GN driver to win a Combined race was Richard Petty.

Bobby won at Bowman Gray but was never given the offical win. Tiny Lund won at North Wilksboro later that year in a Camero but, likewise was never given credit officially for his win.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Another piece of the puzzle drops into place, but still not exactly correct.

However, you are so darn close...

He wasn't credited with the win because he was driving a car (70 Mustang) for the NASCAR Grand American Division. NASCAR Ran four or five Combined Races that year (Grand National and Grand American cars), alol on short tracks. The GN drivers complained that the short wheelbased compacts had an unfair advantage. The only GN driver to win a Combined race was Richard Petty.

Bobby won at Bowman Gray but was never given the offical win. Tiny Lund won at North Wilksboro later that year in a Camero but, likewise was never given credit officially for his win.

Ahhh.... That makes sense.

[Quality88]

Referring to the controversy in 1973.... It envolves Bobby Allison. It was over the finish. Bobby Allison finished third. However, it's in dispute on the two drivers(the legallity of their engines) that finished ahead of him. Who are those two drivers? And in what order did they finish?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Referring to the controversy in 1973.... It envolves Bobby Allison. It was over the finish. Bobby Allison finished third. However, it's in dispute on the two drivers(the legallity of their engines) that finished ahead of him. Who are those two drivers? And in what order did they finish?

You almost threw me with the year. It was 1974 National 500 (Oct 7 at Charlotte, to be exact)
The finishers were, in order, Cale Yarborough, Richard Petty and Bobby Allison.
Bobby protested the first two because they "could pull me 6-8 lengths down the straightaways, and my car was running better than it ever has here."
The top three cars were completely torn down after the race and all measurements sent to Daytona for evaluation.
The following is a quote from the Charlotte Observer regarding the race:

"Originally, NASCAR said the results would stand because the un-named violators were "borderline," but each driver would be fined an unspecified amount. Then NASCAR said the results would stand with no penalties. They cited "inadequacies" in the inspection procedure. "The decision was made following a meeting of NASCAR officialsafter reviewing information in a post-race inspection," said the NASCAR statement. "The procedure was to check all of the engine sizes in the pre-race inspections proved to be inadequate." No fines were ever imposed."

It's good to see the current brand of NASCAR remains consistent in its inconsistancies.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

You almost threw me with the year. It was 1974 National 500 (Oct 7 at Charlotte, to be exact)
The finishers were, in order, Cale Yarborough, Richard Petty and Bobby Allison.
Bobby protested the first two because they "could pull me 6-8 lengths down the straightaways, and my car was running better than it ever has here."
The top three cars were completely torn down after the race and all measurements sent to Daytona for evaluation.
The following is a quote from the Charlotte Observer regarding the race:

"Originally, NASCAR said the results would stand because the un-named violators were "borderline," but each driver would be fined an unspecified amount. Then NASCAR said the results would stand with no penalties. They cited "inadequacies" in the inspection procedure. "The decision was made following a meeting of NASCAR officialsafter reviewing information in a post-race inspection," said the NASCAR statement. "The procedure was to check all of the engine sizes in the pre-race inspections proved to be inadequate." No fines were ever imposed."

It's good to see the current brand of NASCAR remains consistent in its inconsistancies.

Ain't it the truth. Sorry on the date. I don't know why I thought 73.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I've got all I can do to find a list of 1959 Daytona drivers. Can't even find it on NASCAR.COM

When I first come to this forum, about a month ago, someone posted a link to a site which gave the results of EVERY CUP race ran. Like a complete dork, I didn't save it.

Whomever posted this link.....HELP!

[TN_Gal]

Hey Bob ! ! Do You have this?

[TN_Gal]

Where the hell is Bob???
Probably doing research to stump us good........