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Old 07-17-2006, 12:02 AM
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No-neck vs. hypocrite, most rescent rivalry

I have to side with Stewart on this one, I have seen the 12 race and even though he's like 2 tenths slower then the one behind 'em he blocks like a motha, wont give up his position no matter the situation. I say race guys the same way they race you and Tony did the right thing even though he got the short end of the stick.
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Old 07-17-2006, 12:06 AM
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YES! YES! YES! Somebody agrees that Tony is a hypocrite! Although I like Ryan much more than Tony, I too must side with Stewart. That move by Newman seemed a little blatant.
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Old 07-17-2006, 06:53 AM
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Re: No-neck vs. hypocrite, most rescent rivalry

I believe, again, that it was too early for Tony to worry about a two lap downer reguardless of who it was. Another case of Tony being Tony.
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Old 07-17-2006, 08:09 AM
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I believe, again, that it was too early for Tony to worry about a two lap downer reguardless of who it was. Another case of Tony being Tony.
I agree that this incident could have been avoided by BOTH guys. Newman could have had him on the next turn and Stewey would be solidly in the chase right now, if not in first if he could keep his cool.
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Old 07-17-2006, 08:38 AM
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I have to side with Stewart on this one, I have seen the 12 race and even though he's like 2 tenths slower then the one behind 'em he blocks like a motha, wont give up his position no matter the situation. I say race guys the same way they race you and Tony did the right thing even though he got the short end of the stick.

I agree. Newman can be a royal pain to get around when a faster car is behind him. Stewart gave him room, but Ryan elected to body slam him, and basically take both cars out of the race. Stupid move in my opinion.
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:08 AM
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Re: No-neck vs. hypocrite, most rescent rivalry

I also believe that Newman hit Tony on purpose. It looked like he never turned his wheels going into the turn. Little Stewie is my least favorite driver but he was taken out by Newman.
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:10 AM
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I hate Newman.... apparently he didnt learn his lesson @ the Bristol Night Race.
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:16 AM
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Don't get me wrong, Newman can be a meathead, but there was room for both of them.
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Old 07-17-2006, 04:45 PM
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Re: No-neck vs. hypocrite, most rescent rivalry

I only have the TV perspective as I've never been to a race but it seems that the more a driver wins the more they seem to develop the attitutude that everybody is just suppose to move over and give them the right of way like they were a fire truck or something. It's even worse when they race around the rookies. Or I particularly remember last year that Stewart flat ran over a couple of "field fillers" who were already at the top of the track, running slower and trying to get out of the way.
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Old 07-17-2006, 04:50 PM
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I only have the TV perspective as I've never been to a race but it seems that the more a driver wins the more they seem to develop the attitutude that everybody is just suppose to move over and give them the right of way like they were a fire truck or something. It's even worse when they race around the rookies. Or I particularly remember last year that Stewart flat ran over a couple of "field fillers" who were already at the top of the track, running slower and trying to get out of the way.
Well, welcome to NASCAR, rookies, if you aren't fast enough, you're probably going to learn how to be evasive, if you aren't evasive, you better get faster. But I too think Tony should lighten up, he's going to hurt himself.
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Re: No-neck vs. hypocrite, most rescent rivalry

Hey Smoke.. don't get mad at me but look what I read on FoxSports .com



Stewart was leading the race Sunday when he stubbornly refused to let Ryan Newman pass him.
Newman was a lap down, so the pass was not for the race lead and Stewart had nothing to lose by pulling over and letting Newman go by. Newman had fresh tires, a faster car and, one way or another, was going to get by Stewart.
But Stewart was angry over the way Newman has raced him in the past, and simply would not give an inch of real estate away. It resulted in the two cars colliding as Newman closed in, and Stewart went spinning into the wall.
TV announcer Wally Dallenbach was only half-joking when he quipped that the smoke surrounding Stewart's car was not from the tires, but from Stewart's head.
He was still seething as he waited outside his Chevrolet for his crew to fix his damaged radiator.
Newman "just took us out," Stewart said. "We're starting to learn to race him like he races us and he doesn't give anybody a break so I wasn't about to give him a break.
"So, he'll just take me out then if you don't let him by. It's amazing how he expects you to let him by, but he doesn't give anybody that same courtesy."

But Newman put the blame right back on Stewart.
"He didn't live up to what he preaches, and that's move over and let a faster car go - especially a car on fresh tires trying to get a lap back," Newman said. "He came down on us a little bit. I came up on him a little bit and we hit.
"He got the raw end of the deal. It didn't do us any favors, but he sure didn't live up to what he preaches."
The petty squabble between the two Indiana boys only hurt themselves. Newman, who needed a good finish to hold on to any hope of making the Chase for the third consecutive season, wound up 39th. He's now 19th in the points, and an extreme long shot to recover in time to make the playoffs.

Stewart can still get in, but he'll need to be pretty close to flawless the rest of the summer.
His No. 20 Chevrolet has been one of the best cars all year, but three accidents in the past eight races have sent him spiraling from a solid second place in the standings to the outside looking in on the top 10.
And since breaking his shoulder blade in a May accident at Lowe's Motor Speedway, Stewart has just two finishes better than 25th and has grown increasingly frustrated. "There is nothing we can do about it," he said. "We have a great group of guys here who will do everything they can to get us back out there to do what we can.
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Re: No-neck vs. hypocrite, most rescent rivalry

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Hey Smoke.. don't get mad at me but look what I read on FoxSports .com



Stewart was leading the race Sunday when he stubbornly refused to let Ryan Newman pass him.
Newman was a lap down, so the pass was not for the race lead and Stewart had nothing to lose by pulling over and letting Newman go by. Newman had fresh tires, a faster car and, one way or another, was going to get by Stewart.
But Stewart was angry over the way Newman has raced him in the past, and simply would not give an inch of real estate away. It resulted in the two cars colliding as Newman closed in, and Stewart went spinning into the wall.
TV announcer Wally Dallenbach was only half-joking when he quipped that the smoke surrounding Stewart's car was not from the tires, but from Stewart's head.
He was still seething as he waited outside his Chevrolet for his crew to fix his damaged radiator.
Newman "just took us out," Stewart said. "We're starting to learn to race him like he races us and he doesn't give anybody a break so I wasn't about to give him a break.
"So, he'll just take me out then if you don't let him by. It's amazing how he expects you to let him by, but he doesn't give anybody that same courtesy."

But Newman put the blame right back on Stewart.
"He didn't live up to what he preaches, and that's move over and let a faster car go - especially a car on fresh tires trying to get a lap back," Newman said. "He came down on us a little bit. I came up on him a little bit and we hit.
"He got the raw end of the deal. It didn't do us any favors, but he sure didn't live up to what he preaches."
The petty squabble between the two Indiana boys only hurt themselves. Newman, who needed a good finish to hold on to any hope of making the Chase for the third consecutive season, wound up 39th. He's now 19th in the points, and an extreme long shot to recover in time to make the playoffs.

Stewart can still get in, but he'll need to be pretty close to flawless the rest of the summer.
His No. 20 Chevrolet has been one of the best cars all year, but three accidents in the past eight races have sent him spiraling from a solid second place in the standings to the outside looking in on the top 10.
And since breaking his shoulder blade in a May accident at Lowe's Motor Speedway, Stewart has just two finishes better than 25th and has grown increasingly frustrated. "There is nothing we can do about it," he said. "We have a great group of guys here who will do everything they can to get us back out there to do what we can.
I like that article. Tony just cant seem to understand he doesnt always have the faster car and that guys arent doing anything wrong by trying to get by you (talking about Kenseth at Daytona and Boris Said at Sears Point).
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Old 07-17-2006, 08:28 PM
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I like that article. Tony just cant seem to understand he doesnt always have the faster car and that guys arent doing anything wrong by trying to get by you (talking about Kenseth at Daytona and Boris Said at Sears Point).
I agree also but Newman is ridiculous, he would hold up guys even if its the first lap. I remeber in '03 Jeff got penalized because he toke Newman out cause after like 10-15 Newman wouldnt move, they even got into the wall cause newman wouldnt give up the position. And Homestead last year he wont move. But guys HAVE to move for him, I dont get it. But Tony can be the same at times but not rescently.
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:12 PM
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Re: No-neck vs. hypocrite, most rescent rivalry

I saw that race, I think Mark Martin does it best he lets them go and saves his tires instead of burning them up trying to race side by side.
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:54 PM
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My opinion is that it was a racin deal. I Like Ryan but that was just a bad situation.

But...hypocrite...every single Nascar driver is that. Every single one.
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