[TN_Gal]

Everyone speaks their opions of NASCAR...let's see some stuff to back it up.....this is not a thread for driver bashing.....it's NASCAR's turn...

I will start with Mike Helton ...in this statement he forgot to add that this does not apply to all teams..........

Helton said the problem has become magnified because a lot of drivers aren't experienced in the maneuver in which the front end of one car bumps the back end of the other to give both an aerodynamic push.
Done incorrectly or too aggressively, the driver in front often is spun out.
"So what we're doing today is getting into that gray area that we don't get into, and you don't want us to get into,'' Helton said. "But we've reached a point where we need to. So this is it. This is the warning.''
-----Feb 2006

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by TN_Gal

Everyone speaks their opions of NASCAR...let's see some stuff to back it up.....this is not a thread for driver bashing.....it's NASCAR's turn...

I"So what we're doing today is getting into that gray area that we don't get into, and you don't want us to get into,'' Helton said. "But we've reached a point where we need to. So this is it. This is the warning.''
-----Feb 2006

So, in other words, he voted for it before he voted against it, right?

[TN_Gal]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

So, in other words, he voted for it before he voted against it, right?

Yeah, he was probably thunking "subject to change without notice" but forgot to mention that,he was more focused on..." I bet this will give them skidmarks in their shorts!!".......

[candlejack]

Originally Posted by TN_Gal

Everyone speaks their opions of NASCAR...let's see some stuff to back it up.....this is not a thread for driver bashing.....it's NASCAR's turn...

I will start with Mike Helton ...in this statement he forgot to add that this does not apply to all teams..........

Helton said the problem has become magnified because a lot of drivers aren't experienced in the maneuver in which the front end of one car bumps the back end of the other to give both an aerodynamic push.
Done incorrectly or too aggressively, the driver in front often is spun out.
"So what we're doing today is getting into that gray area that we don't get into, and you don't want us to get into,'' Helton said. "But we've reached a point where we need to. So this is it. This is the warning.''
-----Feb 2006

So, this explains the new signature line...forgive me my ignorance, who in the heck is Mike Helton?

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by candlejack

So, this explains the new signature line...forgive me my ignorance, who in the heck is Mike Helton?

In baseball terms Mike Helton would be a half a$$ gm/ump. He's out there at everyrace doing the Frances bidding. As far as them playing favortism..... when Slugger Labbe got suspended the sway bar they had on DJ's car was in one of those "Gray Areas", yet Nascar still suspended and fined him, and docked DJ points for it. Slugger said Officials saw the part before and after qualifying, but it wasn't till almost race time that it became illegal. Nascar wouldn't even hear the appeal. Threw it out. 1. if it was in that gray area why did slugger get suspended and fined, when two Hendrick teams did something in the gray area and did not get any suspensions and fines. 2. If nascar officials saw that part before and after qualifying, why wasn't it illegal right then at that point and time. Let's top the cake with the icing.... This years Daytona 500 Chad Knaus cheats during qualifying... gets fined and suspended, yet no drivers or owners points where taken, while a brand new single car team( with star quality, major sponsor... and supposedly what nascar has been trying to draw into the sport and get more of) they give a fine and points taken away for an actual mistake. I've got more... but I'll wait for everyone else to sound off.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by candlejack

So, this explains the new signature line...forgive me my ignorance, who in the heck is Mike Helton?

"Who the heck is Mike Helton?" is a question kind of like the often-asked question in the novel, Atlas Shrugged, "Who is John Gault?"
For those of us who have followed NASCAR for a few years, we remember Mike Helton as a portly, mustachioed fellow who was titled "President of Competition," but who was actually the power behind the throne in the days when Bill France Jr was diagnosed with cancer but still running NASCAR. His presence was very much in evidence at EVERY NASCAR event and function, and his word was absolute.
When Brian Z. France took over Mike got quickly shuffled out of the spotlight and now, though he's still a power within the company, his basic claim to fame is that he's the highest ranking officer of NASCAR who isn't named France.

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by TN_Gal

... I think Helton or Darby or whoever makes these rules should have some sort of penal system, cause they obviously dont. Err Penalization guidelines. For cheating through inspection and stuff to be more consistent, and let the drivers go at it outside the track like the old days. Although that would be a problem for some of todays drivers. Not all 12 year old girls want to fight (Kyle Busch). Yeah, I called KB a 12 year old girl . I may regret that later.

[hotshot7796]

I was gonna say something similiar to that, but yeah, I agree

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by candlejack

...forgive me my ignorance, who in the heck is Mike Helton?

Here he is trying to explain to Tony Stewart that it's Johnsons turn to win the Championship because Lowes has dumped more money into Na$car than Home Depot did this year..........

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

Here he is trying to explain to Tony Stewart that it's Johnsons turn to win the Championship because Lowes has dumped more money into Na$car than Home Depot did this year..........

<Clap> <Clap> <Clap>

My man, you should consider taking your show on the road! That one is priceless! Thanks for the laugh!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

... I think Helton or Darby or whoever makes these rules should have some sort of penal system, cause they obviously dont. Err Penalization guidelines. For cheating through inspection and stuff to be more consistent, and let the drivers go at it outside the track like the old days. Although that would be a problem for some of todays drivers. Not all 12 year old girls want to fight (Kyle Busch). Yeah, I called KB a 12 year old girl . I may regret that later.

We're pretty much in agreement, Wilks. Except, though I hate to admit it, Helton (NASCAR) and its consistent inconsistency on rule enforcement is just carrying on a tradition. Didn't NASCAR lose MOPAR not once, but twice, for unfair rules? How about allowing Richard to win with an engine that was almost 20 C.I. overbore, after Andy Granitelli crossed palms with an appropriate amount of schekels? ad finitum...
No. Being fair and balanced is something no reasonable-minded race fan would ever accuse NASCAR of being.

IRT Sister Busch... NASCAR has allowed to let the sponsors turn the drivers into a collective bunch of vanilla-flavoured prima dona's who actually think they are important and meaningful in the overall scheme of today's society. When someone drives agressively and opens his mouth and inserts foot, as our boy Kyle B. is inclined to do, it just kind of jumps out at you.

I'm not a big fan of the concept of "Paying your dues," but the Brothers Busch and the current youth movement is a good argument for the idea, IMNSVHO. I think NASCAR was better when a new driver came up from the short tracks, then got so-so equipment and impressed owners with his ability to race that stuff. Starting out in a ride capable of winning every week just doesn't feel right to me.
To quote you: "I may regret that [last statement] later."

[3wide]

Originally Posted by TN_Gal

Everyone speaks their opions of NASCAR...let's see some stuff to back it up.....this is not a thread for driver bashing.....it's NASCAR's turn...

I will start with Mike Helton ...in this statement he forgot to add that this does not apply to all teams..........

Helton said the problem has become magnified because a lot of drivers aren't experienced in the maneuver in which the front end of one car bumps the back end of the other to give both an aerodynamic push.
Done incorrectly or too aggressively, the driver in front often is spun out.
"So what we're doing today is getting into that gray area that we don't get into, and you don't want us to get into,'' Helton said. "But we've reached a point where we need to. So this is it. This is the warning.''
-----Feb 2006

Well, it was the warning. However, in NASCAR, probation is a term used to protect offenders.

[bautch24]

Originally Posted by TN_Gal

Everyone speaks their opions of NASCAR...let's see some stuff to back it up.....this is not a thread for driver bashing.....it's NASCAR's turn...

I will start with Mike Helton ...in this statement he forgot to add that this does not apply to all teams..........

Helton said the problem has become magnified because a lot of drivers aren't experienced in the maneuver in which the front end of one car bumps the back end of the other to give both an aerodynamic push.
Done incorrectly or too aggressively, the driver in front often is spun out.
"So what we're doing today is getting into that gray area that we don't get into, and you don't want us to get into,'' Helton said. "But we've reached a point where we need to. So this is it. This is the warning.''
-----Feb 2006

WOuld you just get over Gordon spinning out Kenseth already; Kenseth did the same thing to him at Bristol.

[LADY3]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

... I think Helton or Darby or whoever makes these rules should have some sort of penal system, cause they obviously dont. Err Penalization guidelines. For cheating through inspection and stuff to be more consistent, and let the drivers go at it outside the track like the old days. Although that would be a problem for some of todays drivers. Not all 12 year old girls want to fight (Kyle Busch). Yeah, I called KB a 12 year old girl . I may regret that later.

OH MY GOSH THAT IS THE BEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE. PLEASE DON'T EVER REGRET THAT STATEMENT PLLLEEEEEEASE. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS I WANT TO SAY ABOUT KYLE BUSCH BUT I CAN'T BECAUSE I'M LAUGHING SO HARD. OH YEAH HE'S A PIMPLEY FACED LITTLE BOY. THATS JUST ONE OF THEM. OH MY STOMACH HURTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LADY3]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

Here he is trying to explain to Tony Stewart that it's Johnsons turn to win the Championship because Lowes has dumped more money into Na$car than Home Depot did this year..........

PLEASE SAY IT AIN'T SO. THATS NOT REALLY HOW IT WORKS IS IT?
It can't be Tony would never sell out, but this is funny!!!!!!!