[A pirate]

Originally Posted by Smoke842

Oops, sorry bout that! You were sposed to receive the $$ saving bottle, looks like shipping made an error! Your new bottle is being sent out Monday via UPS Red so you'll have to wait til Tuesday! And...250 is the count so you should be fine for at least 3 days. Deep breaths until then and space out your pills so they last longer.

Yates will bounce back, I know it! They'll be just fine. Look at Childress the last few yrs. Didn't do anything, now look at them!

Since your sending out pills anyway smoke.......what's one more bottle?

[Smoke842]

Originally Posted by A pirate

Since your sending out pills anyway smoke.......what's one more bottle?

On it's way, pirate

[A pirate]

Originally Posted by Smoke842

On it's way, pirate

Excellent, and just in time. My rum is almost gone.

[LSC9901]

Yates will definitely bounce back. He has spent to much time over the past couple of years concentrating on sponsorship and driver issues. Now that those issues are really behind him he can take a deep breath and look at the overall program. As was expressed on Speed the engine program is right where it needs to be but the aero package is a failure. When they do sign on some drivers and sponsor(s) I'm sure they will be back bigger and better.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Yates will definitely bounce back. He has spent to much time over the past couple of years concentrating on sponsorship and driver issues. Now that those issues are really behind him he can take a deep breath and look at the overall program. As was expressed on Speed the engine program is right where it needs to be but the aero package is a failure. When they do sign on some drivers and sponsor(s) I'm sure they will be back bigger and better.

"Engine program is right where it needs to be but the aero package is a failure." Sure sounds like Roberts amalgamation with Roush was a success, wasn't it? It would appear to me that the table was definately slanted toward Roush on that one, eh?

I would love to see RYR come back and I sincerely hope they do, but, historically, when a major team loses major personnel in short order, it's a slippery slope downhill from there.

I thin a comparison with Morgan McClure is appropriate here. Within a short period of time M-M lost two champion-caliber drivers, a Championship caliber crew chief (Tony Glover) and a talented engine builder (Runt Pitman). Finally, after a few years they lost their big-money sponsor. Now look at M-M. A field-filler just hoping to make each race.

It would be sad for the same fate to hit RYR, Roberts put a lot of himself into the sport and NASCAR is better for it. People like Yates is what NASCAR needs, not more Hendricks, Rouish's, and Ganassi's. However, the comparison is unfortunately unavoidable.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

"Engine program is right where it needs to be but the aero package is a failure." Sure sounds like Roberts amalgamation with Roush was a success, wasn't it? It would appear to me that the table was definately slanted toward Roush on that one, eh?

Well yes it was slanted towards the Rousch teams but only because of R&D that gave them the better aero package. I do hope you are wrong about Yates sliding into oblivion. I think if he finds at least one good driver and rebuilds his game he will make it. How do you feel about the COT and the overall effect that it might have on teams that are stagnant like Yates ?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Well yes it was slanted towards the Rousch teams but only because of R&D that gave them the better aero package. I do hope you are wrong about Yates sliding into oblivion. I think if he finds at least one good driver and rebuilds his game he will make it. How do you feel about the COT and the overall effect that it might have on teams that are stagnant like Yates ?

I hope you're right, IRT RYR. The organization'd sorely missed by race fans.

IRT the "NASCARmobile" (a.k.a. COT). I hope the tweeb, who back in 1988 decided that the Chev Monte Carlo SS was so drastically areo-better than Ford and the other GM products that he designed a more competitive rear deck to compensate, is happy with what he brought to NASCAR!
What the NASCARmobile brings to competition is auto racing reduced to the lowest common denominator.
May I [mot so] humbly suggest that NASCAR change the name of the series from {insert name of corporation du jour) to the "Stock Car Racing for Dummies Cup"
From this seat the ONLY way we'll see NASCAR return to true racing is to mandate stock factory template and return to the "500 manufactured rule."
i.e.; the sheet metal has to match what the factory makes and no part (air dam, spoiler, etc.) can be used unless the company makes, [u]and sells to the public[u] 500 of the item.

What do I think of the NASCARmobile? The same thing Gary Nelson thought of it. He saw the handwriting on the wall and chose to disassociate himself with NASCAR a full year prior to the foisting of this debacle on we race fans.

[Team Yates]

Robert Yates Racing told its organization on Monday that its two Nextel Cup crew chiefs, Tommy Baldwin and Slugger Labbe, would no longer be with the team, a source has told NASCAR.COM.
Baldwin and Labbe were brought to RYR amid great fanfare by team manager Eddie D'Hondt, but D'Hondt was fired on May 23.
Tommy Baldwin served as Elliott Sadler's crew chief. With Baldwin and Labbe gone, RYR has experienced a complete turnover of its top personnel. Driver Dale Jarrett announced in May that he was leaving the organization after 10 years, and the team's other driver, Elliott Sadler, asked for and was granted his release earlier this month.
Veteran crew chief Butch Hylton is rumored to be Jarrett's crew chief for this week's Allstate 400 at the Brickyard.
The team has not announced a driver lineup for 2007, but the team has had discussions with Busch Series drivers David Gilliland and Stephen Leicht to fill the seats.
Leicht, 19, serves as Yates' Busch Series driver and made his Nextel Cup debut at Pocono two weeks ago, finishing 33rd.
Gilliland, 30, will make his RYR debut this weekend in the Kroger 200 Busch Series race at O'Reilly Raceway Park in Indianapolis.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Team Yates

Robert Yates Racing told its organization on Monday that its two Nextel Cup crew chiefs, Tommy Baldwin and Slugger Labbe, would no longer be with the team, a source has told NASCAR.COM.
Baldwin and Labbe were brought to RYR amid great fanfare by team manager Eddie D'Hondt, but D'Hondt was fired on May 23.
Tommy Baldwin served as Elliott Sadler's crew chief. With Baldwin and Labbe gone, RYR has experienced a complete turnover of its top personnel. Driver Dale Jarrett announced in May that he was leaving the organization after 10 years, and the team's other driver, Elliott Sadler, asked for and was granted his release earlier this month.
Veteran crew chief Butch Hylton is rumored to be Jarrett's crew chief for this week's Allstate 400 at the Brickyard.
The team has not announced a driver lineup for 2007, but the team has had discussions with Busch Series drivers David Gilliland and Stephen Leicht to fill the seats.
Leicht, 19, serves as Yates' Busch Series driver and made his Nextel Cup debut at Pocono two weeks ago, finishing 33rd.
Gilliland, 30, will make his RYR debut this weekend in the Kroger 200 Busch Series race at O'Reilly Raceway Park in Indianapolis.

Just read that earlier. It's a stupid move. They lost some good crew chiefs.

[TN_Gal]

Yates confirmed last week with NASCAR.COM that Stephen Leicht, who ran his first Cup race at Pocono, is in line for one of his rides. He said Ward Burton, who has been away from the sport for almost two years, is a candidate for the other.

This is an excerpt from the article on Gilliand running the one race deal..I think Ward is gonna be in a Yates ride next year.

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

From inside pit pass

August 1 , 2006
House Cleaning at Yates Will Help Toyota
By Dennis Michelsen
Yates Racing has been simply awful the last few seasons! A once feared team has lost its edge and it's drivers for next season too. Now the house cleaning has started and more mistakes are being made. Crew Chiefs Richard 'Slugger" Labbe and Tommy Baldwin were not the reason these teams are struggling but they are the ones getting the axe. But since departed team manager Eddie D'Hondt hired both men it is no surprise they are gone. Yates Racing needed to make some changes to shake things up but this is ridiculous. With two inexperienced drivers in Stephen Leicht and David Gilliland next season, they needed some veteran leadership at the top.
It has been a long time since a Yates Racing car was competitive. The bizarre thing though is that Yates engines continue to be big winners! Last season while RYR was missing the Chase for the Championship, all five Roush Racing cars made the playoffs using Yates power. You have to grab Peabody and jump in the way back machine to 2001 to find the last time a Yates car cracked the top ten in points. How could a team with such a proud legacy fall so far? Clearly the answer is not to just fire the crew chiefs! Those two hires might have been the only bright things done by Eddie D'Hondt. Yates Racing's loss will be somebody's gain!
The missing ingredient at the new Toyota teams has been brainpower in the Crew Chief positions. Now with Robert Yates letting two experienced guys go the Toyota camp has to be drooling! Tommy Baldwin is likely to return to Bill Davis Racing. Look for Richard "Slugger" Labbe to reunite with Michael Waltrip over at his new team. Suddenly two organizations that seemed destined to so-so results next year might have found the right guys for key positions. Michael Waltrip already grabbed Larry Carter and he could slide over to Crew Chief for Dale Jarrett with Michael Waltrip working with his old pal Slugger. Yates Racing is in turmoil and getting rid of experienced leadership is not the answer. But his house cleaning is making folks at Toyota racing very happy indeed!

[LSC9901]

I still believe that Waltrip will not be a winner. If Toyota can put together a package like DEI then maybe I'll be eating crow but that remains to be seen. I also like Dale Jarrett but I think his time has come and gone. For his sake I wish he could again become a winner but I'm not real sure that can happen for him anymore. Bill Elliott tried it with Evernham and produced virtually nothing. Thats what I base my assumption on with DJ.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I also like Dale Jarrett but I think his time has come and gone. For his sake I wish he could again become a winner but I'm not real sure that can happen for him anymore. Bill Elliott tried it with Evernham and produced virtually nothing. Thats what I base my assumption on with DJ.

You could be right LSC, but I hope not. Oh Bill may have not been a powerhouse when he went to Eevrnham, but he was competitive. I hope this move will reignite something for DJ like the move to Childress for Burton. You got to think, DJ even said there was not enough engineers in Yates camp. Toyota will have a s#$t load of people for their teams. Although I still think it will be 2-3 years before they give the competition any grief, like in the truck series.

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I still believe that Waltrip will not be a winner. If Toyota can put together a package like DEI then maybe I'll be eating crow but that remains to be seen. I also like Dale Jarrett but I think his time has come and gone. For his sake I wish he could again become a winner but I'm not real sure that can happen for him anymore. Bill Elliott tried it with Evernham and produced virtually nothing. Thats what I base my assumption on with DJ.

I have to agree with you LSC, while these older guys can still drive like demons, wins are few and far. Mostly just by luck when the top runners have screwed up. I don't care who you are or what profession the time comes to give way to youth.

[oncea3fan]

I don't think robert yates is a dummy, he has a plan, I believe he will go back to the engine shop, or maybe a crew chief roll him self. what about larry macrenolds, is he still going tobe in the booth ??? he and hammond have been playing crew chief in the lower series, maybe a warm up ???

I have a feeling that when it all comes out, robert may be feeding us crow.

atleast I hope so !