[BiscuitMan]

Originally Posted by jks812

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) - NASCAR tried to even out the competition in the Nationwide Series on Wednesday by ordering all teams using Toyota motors to squeeze down their horsepower before this weekend's race in Indianapolis.

In my opinion this is wrong, wrong wrong. I'm not a Toyota man by any means. But, taking away initiatives from Toyota engineers who have developed an engine with superior performance compared to other auto manufacturers and using the same specifications, saps the spirit right from their hearts.

[Phils20]

Ya know, in a way, I'm sure these countries feel pretty proud. For a loooooooooong time, American goods were very treasured in the world, but the tables have turned.

Nothing lasts forever. I think we'll see things get better, it will just take some time.

This country has gotten lazy. Physically, in our education, in our ideas, and their execution.

No big surprise that the rest of the world is nipping at our heels, or our necks...

[BiscuitMan]

I'm not sure the Toyota NASCAR engine is designed in Japan. It may be a U.S. developed product. I know they build the 5.7 V8 for their trucks in Alabama.

Joe Gibbs Racing builds its own motors for its Nationwide cars and probably Braun Racing. The rest of the Toyota engines in Nationwide and CTS come from Triad Racing Development in High Point, NC.

That's a good question. Where was the Toyota NASCAR engine designed and where are the engine castings made? Does any one know?

[bob101]

TRD (Toyota's racing division) in the US is based in CA. They did the design and built the first engines and continue to work on them to get the most out of them. I assume JGR now builds it's own engines, but design/development came from TRD in CA.


Toyota Racing Development

[NASCAR Gnome]

This is just wrong.

It's like MLB, seeing that the Sox or Cubs are kicking the tar out of the competition midway through the season decides to force those teams to swing heavier bats and put extra weights in their spikes to "even the competitive edge!"

Imagine the NFL forcing the New England Patriots, who have been on an unbeaten streak, to tie one hand of each player to "even out the playing field" and allow other teams to compete!

Imagine the NBA forcing the Celtics to be the only team that can't DUNK the ball for a "competitive advantage" because they are so good!

If Michael Phelps is expected to win 8 golds in the Olympics, will the International Olympic Committee force him to race in large surfer swim trunks to give the other swimmers a chance?

And on and on.

I guess Jack Roush is happy. So are the Chevy and Dodge teams. It's not their fault that NASCAR is controlled by "special interest" but I'm sure these guys hemmed and hawed loud and often to the point where NASCAR made a decision to do this midway through the season! Why midway though?

This is not about Toyota per se. It's about the asinine ways the governing body of the sport is acting. Do it at the end of the season... what exactly is wrong with being dominant? If Toyota violated the rules, punish them but if they acted within the rules, why are they being punished? Doesn't make sense at all... what a crock!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by NASCAR Gnome

This is just wrong.

It's like MLB, seeing that the Sox or Cubs are kicking the tar out of the competition midway through the season decides to force those teams to swing heavier bats and put extra weights in their spikes to "even the competitive edge!"

Imagine the NFL forcing the New England Patriots, who have been on an unbeaten streak, to tie one hand of each player to "even out the playing field" and allow other teams to compete!

Imagine the NBA forcing the Celtics to be the only team that can't DUNK the ball for a "competitive advantage" because they are so good!

If Michael Phelps is expected to win 8 golds in the Olympics, will the International Olympic Committee force him to race in large surfer swim trunks to give the other swimmers a chance?

And on and on.

I guess Jack Roush is happy. So are the Chevy and Dodge teams. It's not their fault that NASCAR is controlled by "special interest" but I'm sure these guys hemmed and hawed loud and often to the point where NASCAR made a decision to do this midway through the season! Why midway though?

This is not about Toyota per se. It's about the asinine ways the governing body of the sport is acting. Do it at the end of the season... what exactly is wrong with being dominant? If Toyota violated the rules, punish them but if they acted within the rules, why are they being punished? Doesn't make sense at all... what a crock!

You know as well as I do that 'Yota did not follow the script NA$CAR gave to all the teams before the season started. Now that Jim McMahon has controlling interest in NA$CAR (something about pictures & Brian and Nazi uniforms...not sure what that means, though) everything has to be scripted.

Since they didn't follow the script, they have to pay. And an example must be made so someone else doesn't get the bright idea to "go their own way." This has to be a coordinated effort .. everyone will get their chance in the spotlight! Biggest bank accounts first...

[Team Yates]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Who was it, exactly, who put the big "FOR SALE" sign on America?

That happened the day the first American company decided to take their company/plant/factory and move it from American workers and move it to another country!!

In regards to the thread, that is total BS!! Every year that Chevy has dominated, that was o.k., nobody yelled foul (well, other than the other brands), but nothing was done about it, so why do it to Toyota? I'm a Ford fan so I was never very happy every time Chevy won, but that's the way it goes, and I dealt with it. But to now say that Toyota needs to reduce their horsepower is just totally wrong. I hope that Nascar doesn't think that type of reasoning is going to help keep/bring in fans. I believe that it will be another "straw added to the camels back."

[DOF_power]

This is just wrong and disgracefull. It's how racing lost its way, just wait until they'll be running spec engines with just a sticker on them.

[kcoruol]

NASCAR had to do it, they had no choice.

They had to find a way to knock Kyle Busch (the driver everybody loves to hate) out of victory lane and put the Golden Boy in there.

Having the Golden Boy in Victory Lane means money to NASCAR.

Also this wouldn't have anything to do with Chevy pulling the financial plug on Bristol and New Hampshire would it?

Doing this to Nationwide is nothing more than floating a balloon for you know who's next, the Cup Series.

[kcoruol]

Is NASCAR run by the Mob.

This is like fixing the race.

Who would of thought to tell HMS to reduce their horse power last year when Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon were winning all the races?

This smells like bad fish.

[GrimlockAutobot]

I disagree with most if not all of the posts in this thread. Now bear with me here for a minute before you throw me under the bus.

A car is NASCAR is a piece of equipment much the same way a bat, a baseball, football, helmet, cleats, shoulderpads, etc. etc. etc. is to other sports.

It just so happens that the athletes in NASCAR happen to ride around in theirs for 500 miles rather than wearing it.

Now, what if the rules in other sports were wide open like you want them to be in NASCAR? Would it be alright for a baseball player to start using a metal bat because he found out he could suddenly hit the ball farther? Would it be alright for a football player to start using lighter pads because he felt it made him run faster? How about a basketball player? If he took some air out of the basketball because he felt he could shoot farther?

All of those things would be unfair to the other teams right? So why is it alright for a certain team or manufacturer to run better equipment in NASCAR? IMO it isn't. The sport isn't the same as it was when alot of you first started watching it.

NASCAR is more in the mainstream nowadays and therefore all of the equipment used on the track is basically the same as everyone else's just like in other mainstream sports.

Someone posted that NASCAR is trying to take the competition out of the sport. IMO they're doing just the opposite. They're trying to give everyone the same chance at winning. IMO that's better for the sport.

I read in NASCAR scene that one of the reasons that ticket sales and TV ratings are down is because people are sick and tired of seeing the same cars and drivers ( and car makes.) winning every week. It is getting too boring say people in the magazine.

Moves like this level the playing field for more teams to win. And why not? As I said above, the playing field is level in other mainstream sports. I.E. In other sports they all have to use basically the same equipment.

I am a die hard Chevy fan but, if NASCAR had done the same thing to GM because they had a serious competitive advantage then I would honestly understand.

I think this outrage has alot to do with "poor Toyota"......people think there's a conspiracy to get Toyota because no one wants Toyota in NASCAR and therefore NASCAR is trying to appease the fans. That's bull IMO.

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by GrimlockAutobot

Now, what if the rules in other sports were wide open like you want them to be in NASCAR? Would it be alright for a baseball player to start using a metal bat because he found out he could suddenly hit the ball farther? Would it be alright for a football player to start using lighter pads because he felt it made him run faster? How about a basketball player? If he took some air out of the basketball because he felt he could shoot farther?

Now I see what you're going for, but your comparisons don't work. The baseball one doesn't work because a metal bat is illegal by MLB rules, and Toyota has done nothing in clear violation of NASCAR rules with their engines. The football one doesn't work because, well, football players are (or at least were, I assume they still are) allowed to use lighter pads to run faster at the risk of their own safety. A better comparison with basketball would be the NBA trying to dictate which shoes a player can wear, trying to ban one pair of shoes because it's better than the ones all the other players are wearing, even though it doesn't break the league's rules. People in all sports are always looking for competitive advantages... as long as they remain within the rules, that's fine. That's what they're supposed to be doing. For NASCAR to try to mandate that one team intentionally handicap themselves to create an even playing field is absolute nonsense.

Someone posted that NASCAR is trying to take the competition out of the sport. IMO they're doing just the opposite. They're trying to give everyone the same chance at winning. IMO that's better for the sport.

That's not their job. Their job is to enforce the rules. It's the other teams jobs to catch up to what Toyota's doing.

[GrimlockAutobot]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Now I see what you're going for, but your comparisons don't work. The baseball one doesn't work because a metal bat is illegal by MLB rules, and Toyota has done nothing in clear violation of NASCAR rules with their engines. The football one doesn't work because, well, football players are (or at least were, I assume they still are) allowed to use lighter pads to run faster at the risk of their own safety. A better comparison with basketball would be the NBA trying to dictate which shoes a player can wear, trying to ban one pair of shoes because it's better than the ones all the other players are wearing, even though it doesn't break the league's rules. People in all sports are always looking for competitive advantages... as long as they remain within the rules, that's fine. That's what they're supposed to be doing. For NASCAR to try to mandate that one team intentionally handicap themselves to create an even playing field is absolute nonsense.


That's not their job. Their job is to enforce the rules. It's the other teams jobs to catch up to what Toyota's doing.

I know all of those things are illegal. But, my point was in a hypothetical situation where the rules are wide open in other sports like some people clamor for in NASCAR.

IMO it's not handicapping a team to try and create some kind of standardization in the equipment they use. If NASCAR were handicapping anyone, they would be putting Toyota at a DISadvantage and in this case Toyota is still at the same level as everyone else. Which is better? everyone else being at a disadvantage or Toyota being at the same level as everone else?

IMO the only thing NASCAR does wrong in this situation is their lack of a stricter, more cut and dry rulebook rather than writing their rulebook in pencil and erasing and adding things as they go along.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

NASCAR had to do it, they had no choice.

They had to find a way to knock Kyle Busch (the driver everybody loves to hate) out of victory lane and put the Golden Boy in there..

Just curious, but who is the Golden Boy in the Nationwide Series?

[3fanforever]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

Just curious, but who is the Golden Boy in the Nationwide Series?

Yes indeed, I'd like to know that too