[Lefty Noob]

According to the Associated Press, "A former racing official is suing NASCAR for $250 million, alleging racial and sexual discrimination, sexual harassment and wrongful termination... [former Nationwide Series inspector Mauricia] Grant alleged she was referred to as 'Nappy Headed Mo' and 'Queen Sheba,' by co-workers, was often told she worked on “colored people time,” and was frightened by one official who routinely made references to the Ku Klux Klan." She further alleges that co-worked has exposed themselves to her.

Former official sues NASCAR over harassment claims - NASCAR - Yahoo! Sports

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

According to the Associated Press, "A former racing official is suing NASCAR for $250 million, alleging racial and sexual discrimination, sexual harassment and wrongful termination... [former Nationwide Series inspector Mauricia] Grant alleged she was referred to as 'Nappy Headed Mo' and 'Queen Sheba,' by co-workers, was often told she worked on “colored people time,” and was frightened by one official who routinely made references to the Ku Klux Klan." She further alleges that co-worked has exposed themselves to her.

Former official sues NASCAR over harassment claims - NASCAR - Yahoo! Sports

Funny, I don't recall seeing Don Imus in a NA__AR Officials uniform? I wonder if Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the Reverend Wright'll make an appearance at Michigan? I wonder if they'll expect free entry to the race? Will John Darby have to attend sensitivity classes?

Inquiring minds wonder...?

[kcoruol]

Quick NASCAR get out the checkbook and make it go away, while you're at it write a little something out for Jessie Jackson's Rainbow Coallition.

I have a dream, a dream where one day the color of your skin and not the content of your character is what counts. I have a dream of Affirmative Action in NASCAR.

I have a dream of NASCAR pitcrews looking like America, where gender, race, religious affilliation, or disability won't be held against pitcrew members. No longer will pitcrew employment be limited to those most qualified to do the job. Weather you are a 5'0" 101 lb female who's life dream it is to be a front tire chager or jackperson, you'll no longer be descrimanated against for your physical short comings. Why should a 6'2", 220lb man be entitled to that job any more than you are?

NASCAR will just have to make allowances to keep the sport fair yet competitive. Say instituting a 60 second time handicap for any racer with a female or handicap person working as pit crew. Say you are 55 seconds behind the leader at the caution, well at the next green flag you're given a 5 second head start on the rest of the drivers. Other allownaces would also have to be implemented. Say there is a pitcrew member who is mooslum and it's time to pray. NASCAR would red flag the race until after the crew member finished praising allah.

Let's not forget manditory sensitivity clases all driver's crewchief's, and pit crew member's would be required to attended.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

Quick NASCAR get out the checkbook and make it go away, while you're at it write a little something out for Jessie Jackson's Rainbow Coallition.

I have a dream, a dream where one day the color of your skin and not the content of your character is what counts. I have a dream of Affirmative Action in NASCAR.

I have a dream of NASCAR pitcrews looking like America, where gender, race, religious affilliation, or disability won't be held against pitcrew members. No longer will pitcrew employment be limited to those most qualified to do the job. Weather you are a 5'0" 101 lb female who's life dream it is to be a front tire chager or jackperson, you'll no longer be descrimanated against for your physical short comings. Why should a 6'2", 220lb man be entitled to that job any more than you are?

NASCAR will just have to make allowances to keep the sport fair yet competitive. Say instituting a 60 second time handicap for any racer with a female or handicap person working as pit crew. Say you are 55 seconds behind the leader at the caution, well at the next green flag you're given a 5 second head start on the rest of the drivers. Other allownaces would also have to be implemented. Say there is a pitcrew member who is mooslum and it's time to pray. NASCAR would red flag the race until after the crew member finished praising allah.

Let's not forget manditory sensitivity clases all driver's crewchief's, and pit crew member's would be required to attended.

I really appreciate good sardonic humor. Well said.

Other than the above picture you've painted of today's American culture, do you have anything else to add?

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

Quick NASCAR get out the checkbook and make it go away, while you're at it write a little something out for Jessie Jackson's Rainbow Coallition.

I have a dream, a dream where one day the color of your skin and not the content of your character is what counts. I have a dream of Affirmative Action in NASCAR.

I have a dream of NASCAR pitcrews looking like America, where gender, race, religious affilliation, or disability won't be held against pitcrew members. No longer will pitcrew employment be limited to those most qualified to do the job. Weather you are a 5'0" 101 lb female who's life dream it is to be a front tire chager or jackperson, you'll no longer be descrimanated against for your physical short comings. Why should a 6'2", 220lb man be entitled to that job any more than you are?

NASCAR will just have to make allowances to keep the sport fair yet competitive. Say instituting a 60 second time handicap for any racer with a female or handicap person working as pit crew. Say you are 55 seconds behind the leader at the caution, well at the next green flag you're given a 5 second head start on the rest of the drivers. Other allownaces would also have to be implemented. Say there is a pitcrew member who is mooslum and it's time to pray. NASCAR would red flag the race until after the crew member finished praising allah.

Let's not forget manditory sensitivity clases all driver's crewchief's, and pit crew member's would be required to attended.

Well put, and appreciated humor

[kcoruol]

When did America become such whinner's and victims?

Too much Oprah and Dr. Phill I quess.

Best thing to ever happen to this country:

The Great Depression - A time when there was no work, a time when a man would do any work no matter how hard it was for as long as he could.
America's women were used to their husbands being away for work or away looking for work. IMHO this period of time really toughen America in preparation for WW II. You think some guy who was working to build the Hoover Dam got his feelings hurt one day at work could turn around and sue the government or employer?

If working with a bunch of men with elevated levels of testosterone in the world of race car driving gets your feelings hurt then maybe you should think aboout working the make-up counter at your local shopping mall.

Oh and her claims covered all the bases, gender, race, & fearing for her safety and finally termination. How convenient!

NASCAR pitcrews must be the cream of the crop. These guys are a bunch of buff atheletes.

Now the NASCAR officials in the white suits watching everything. Please those suits have to be custom made for a lot of these people. How do you know when your belly's too big? When you fall down and your arms don't reach the ground. Seriously some of these guys are huge. I can't believe the ambulance teams aren't hauling the NASCAR officials off for heart attacks.

Where was I and what was I talking about?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

When did America become such whinner's and victims?

Too much Oprah and Dr. Phill I quess.

Best thing to ever happen to this country:

The Great Depression - A time when there was no work, a time when a man would do any work no matter how hard it was for as long as he could.
America's women were used to their husbands being away for work or away looking for work. IMHO this period of time really toughen America in preparation for WW II. You think some guy who was working to build the Hoover Dam got his feelings hurt one day at work could turn around and sue the government or employer?

If working with a bunch of men with elevated levels of testosterone in the world of race car driving gets your feelings hurt then maybe you should think aboout working the make-up counter at your local shopping mall.

Oh and her claims covered all the bases, gender, race, & fearing for her safety and finally termination. How convenient!

NASCAR pitcrews must be the cream of the crop. These guys are a bunch of buff atheletes.

Now the NASCAR officials in the white suits watching everything. Please those suits have to be custom made for a lot of these people. How do you know when your belly's too big? When you fall down and your arms don't reach the ground. Seriously some of these guys are huge. I can't believe the ambulance teams aren't hauling the NASCAR officials off for heart attacks.

Where was I and what was I talking about?

In answer to your first question: It happened when Anerican's stopped taking responsibility for their own lifes and began relying on our Imperial Government to be their personal nanny.
As to a time frame, if I had to give one I'd say it all began in 1935 , when the Social Security Act was signed into law. That's as good a date as any.

Before I forget, good post. Thanks. We need something like this every now and then.

[SpaceCadet]

Hold the phone, Cental. That article was not about this woman's performance. As far as I could see, her job performance wasn't even discussed in the article, and I would like to know what her performance evaluations have said in the past. Was she a chronic whiner? Did you guys read that article? Come on, if that stuff really happened to her, and that is yet to be determined, do you guys really think it's funny? Are you honestly ok with it, because if you are, that's kind of scary. How many of you are women who have worked in a predominantly male environment? Well, I am. I worked as a security supervisor for a Naval contractor. For the most part, I worked with fine, upstanding gentlemen for whom I have the greatest respect. But let me tell you, boys, there were many, many lude, sexist, down right disgusting comments and come on's from the lowest ranking right up to an Admiral. My response to them was to tell them to go rotate on a ####### fence post because if they kept up the crap I would become their worst nightmare. Sueing the government is pointless and in my opinion unwinable. Unless you have walked in my shoes, or hers, take care in what you say. It's not funny, it's not acceptable. I am fortunate in that I can dish it out as well as they can, and I can take it even better than most of them. But not all people have the abiltiy to do that, and more importantly, we shouldn't have to do it. I didn't get that this article was about affirmitive action or anything like that. I got that is was about a black woman in a man's world who was not wanted there and therefore ridiculed and insulted. Again, we don't really have enough info to judge one way or the other. But having been there, done that, I know how hard it can be. Would you guys want your wives or daughter's treated like that? You might not be so quick to dismiss her.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

Hold the phone, Cental. That article was not about this woman's performance. As far as I could see, her job performance wasn't even discussed in the article, and I would like to know what her performance evaluations have said in the past. Was she a chronic whiner? Did you guys read that article? Come on, if that stuff really happened to her, and that is yet to be determined, do you guys really think it's funny? Are you honestly ok with it, because if you are, that's kind of scary. How many of you are women who have worked in a predominantly male environment? Well, I am. I worked as a security supervisor for a Naval contractor. For the most part, I worked with fine, upstanding gentlemen for whom I have the greatest respect. But let me tell you, boys, there were many, many lude, sexist, down right disgusting comments and come on's from the lowest ranking right up to an Admiral. My response to them was to tell them to go rotate on a ####### fence post because if they kept up the crap I would become their worst nightmare. Sueing the government is pointless and in my opinion unwinable. Unless you have walked in my shoes, or hers, take care in what you say. It's not funny, it's not acceptable. I am fortunate in that I can dish it out as well as they can, and I can take it even better than most of them. But not all people have the abiltiy to do that, and more importantly, we shouldn't have to do it. I didn't get that this article was about affirmitive action or anything like that. I got that is was about a black woman in a man's world who was not wanted there and therefore ridiculed and insulted. Again, we don't really have enough info to judge one way or the other. But having been there, done that, I know how hard it can be. Would you guys want your wives or daughter's treated like that? You might not be so quick to dismiss her.

Well SC, I'm sorry for bein that way... it comes from dealin with to many people who think the color of their skin means they deserve special treatment or should get what they want. I do not hold a persons skin color or race against them, but I will hold their actions or attitudes against them.

Now if, she is tellin the truth and not just cryin foul cause she was canned or just left, then I will hold some sympathy, because it was very wrong. However, until everything has been shed to light, I will stick with my response comment until I see anything worth expandin on.

[vincesanity82]

I for one hate it when the race card is used which seems to be a lot these days, that said, what if shes telling the truth?

[jks812]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

Hold the phone, Cental. That article was not about this woman's performance. As far as I could see, her job performance wasn't even discussed in the article, and I would like to know what her performance evaluations have said in the past. Was she a chronic whiner? Did you guys read that article? Come on, if that stuff really happened to her, and that is yet to be determined, do you guys really think it's funny? Are you honestly ok with it, because if you are, that's kind of scary. How many of you are women who have worked in a predominantly male environment? Well, I am. I worked as a security supervisor for a Naval contractor. For the most part, I worked with fine, upstanding gentlemen for whom I have the greatest respect. But let me tell you, boys, there were many, many lude, sexist, down right disgusting comments and come on's from the lowest ranking right up to an Admiral. My response to them was to tell them to go rotate on a ####### fence post because if they kept up the crap I would become their worst nightmare. Sueing the government is pointless and in my opinion unwinable. Unless you have walked in my shoes, or hers, take care in what you say. It's not funny, it's not acceptable. I am fortunate in that I can dish it out as well as they can, and I can take it even better than most of them. But not all people have the abiltiy to do that, and more importantly, we shouldn't have to do it. I didn't get that this article was about affirmitive action or anything like that. I got that is was about a black woman in a man's world who was not wanted there and therefore ridiculed and insulted. Again, we don't really have enough info to judge one way or the other. But having been there, done that, I know how hard it can be. Would you guys want your wives or daughter's treated like that? You might not be so quick to dismiss her.

I agree with you SC. Until they are finished finding out what happened or didn't happen, I won't criticize this lady.
My daughter worked on an offshore oil rig and did fine for about 3 years. Then a female on her rig was raped. My daughter had to go to another rig, and some of the things that I heard those guys say concerning my daughter made me sick. When she reported it she was told they didn't believe her. Yes she quit her job that day.
I learned when I saw how it affected my child, thats something to not be taken lightly until you know what exactly happened.

[Team Yates]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

Hold the phone, Cental. That article was not about this woman's performance. As far as I could see, her job performance wasn't even discussed in the article, and I would like to know what her performance evaluations have said in the past. Was she a chronic whiner? Did you guys read that article? Come on, if that stuff really happened to her, and that is yet to be determined, do you guys really think it's funny? Are you honestly ok with it, because if you are, that's kind of scary. How many of you are women who have worked in a predominantly male environment? Well, I am. I worked as a security supervisor for a Naval contractor. For the most part, I worked with fine, upstanding gentlemen for whom I have the greatest respect. But let me tell you, boys, there were many, many lude, sexist, down right disgusting comments and come on's from the lowest ranking right up to an Admiral. My response to them was to tell them to go rotate on a ####### fence post because if they kept up the crap I would become their worst nightmare. Sueing the government is pointless and in my opinion unwinable. Unless you have walked in my shoes, or hers, take care in what you say. It's not funny, it's not acceptable. I am fortunate in that I can dish it out as well as they can, and I can take it even better than most of them. But not all people have the abiltiy to do that, and more importantly, we shouldn't have to do it. I didn't get that this article was about affirmitive action or anything like that. I got that is was about a black woman in a man's world who was not wanted there and therefore ridiculed and insulted. Again, we don't really have enough info to judge one way or the other. But having been there, done that, I know how hard it can be. Would you guys want your wives or daughter's treated like that? You might not be so quick to dismiss her.

[Racer Duck]

to answer a question asked, here's a quote from the article:

The lawsuit claims other than a previous warning for using “street” language, Grant had never been disciplined for job performance and routinely received positive reviews.

[kcoruol]

If she were sueing for an apology or her job back or a change in NASCAR policy or even a year or two in salary I'd probably tend to believe her story. Unfortunately when some one sues for 250 million dollars I think their motive might be more for money than for justice. This just smells of ambulance chasing lawyers and someone out for a quick buck. NASCAR just seems so involved in how they are perceived I find it hard to believe that as an organization they would condone this type of behavior. When you are fining drivers $25,000 for saying a naughty word on camera I find it difficult to believe that racial discrimination, sexual discrimination, gender discrimination and allowing people to fear for their jobs would be tolerated by the NASCAR organization.

[wingkey1]

Duke Lacrosse

Mike Nifong

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Will be interesting to see whether any parallels might be drawn when all of this finally plays out / comes to light.

The former had elements of prejudgement that were, at the very least, disappointing. Hopefully it proved enlightening to some.

Sad events in any case.