[jks812]

Seems Nascar has suspended 2 people that was named in the complaint. Said they were found to have violated Nascar policy. Wonder what that means.

[kcoruol]

Originally Posted by jks812

Seems Nascar has suspended 2 people that was named in the complaint. Said they were found to have violated Nascar policy. Wonder what that means.

Sacrificial lambs.

Settle out of court for 25 million, cost of tickets go up 5%, a percentage to go to the rainbow coallition, and big bucks to go to some group to give all NASCAR employees sensitivity training.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

Sacrificial lambs.

Settle out of court for 25 million, cost of tickets go up 5%, a percentage to go to the rainbow coallition, and big bucks to go to some group to give all NASCAR employees sensitivity training.

...and the wheel keeps going round and round, but nothing of consequence is gained. (The trial lawyers would argue this, their cut of the settlement is quite "consequential)

kcoruol, I think you hit the bulls eye with your above.

[Bette]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

I'd be interested in the answer to that, too.

Apparently so SC. See simon's response post no. 44. I dont know who he is talking about but as a racing fan you will.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Bette

Apparently so SC. See simon's response post no. 44. I dont know who he is talking about but as a racing fan you will.

First and only black driver to win a race in the Sprint Cup Series

[kcoruol]

I wonder if I could sue the company I work for. Last week my boss, a female, had me in her office talking to me about my performance. Anyway while she was talking she sort of leaned over the desk and I could sort of see down her blouse. She was wearing one of those lacey pushup bras and it made me feel very uncomfortable, I tried not to stare but felt if I turned away she might think I wasn't paying attention to her. Then she had me pick something up off the floor and put it up on a shelf. It felt like she was undressing me with her eyes. I feared I'd might lose my job at first and then when I got home felt dirty and ashamed, I had to take a shower. Many times she asks me to work over and when I agree she'll say things like "Thanks, you're a sweety" Do you think I have a case?

[SpaceCadet]

Here's a question for you all, then. Suppose we have a crystal ball and we are able to see that she may, indeed, have a leg to stand on. Should she have kept her mouth shut? Sucked it up, quit her job and just let it go? Just curious. I'd kill for a job at NASCAR, (if I were a lot younger), accusations or not. This whole deal, no matter what the outcome, would not discourage me from trying to work there if that's what I really wanted to do. But how many women are going to feel that way? Could this really hurt NASCAR, is it being blown out of proportion? Am I a total hypocrit?

[jks812]

SC thats a good question. From what I've read, she said it went on for the whole time she worked there. This is my problem with it, if she put up with it for 2 years, why file a law suit after she was fired?
My daughter didn't file a law suit against her employer, but she also didn't work for 2 years while it went on either.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I worked somewhere and put up with this kind of stuff for 2 years then I'm not going to file a law suit when they fire me. Doing that does make it look like she's just mad cause she was fired.

[LSC9901]

Just as an opinion I would offer that women are more prone to this abuse than men. (DUH!!!) I also believe that, sadly, many women feel that the benefits of the job are valuable enough to accept some light, and good hearted sexual innuendos. That in itself is sad that men think it is OK to even do it jokingly. Not that it is OK but it seems to be a moral thread in our society that we live with. The job that I worked at for over 30 years had the same issues and few women ever made an issue of it because of the value and necessity of the job.

I guess I wonder why this woman would put up with it for two years and only make a statement about it after she was fired ? Was she fired because she complained to someone within the system or was the dismissal due to performance related problems ?

Two points stand out to me, one being the extremely large amount of money being requested and why it went this far only after being fired.

[jks812]

Another thing that bothers me about it. One of the times this happened, she said they had gone out and they started making comments. Supposedly the comments had already been going on for months. Now I'm speaking for myself here. If some guys had been making these comments to me for along time, I'm not going out with none of them, no thanks I'll go to a restaurant by myself. And if I'm gonna go out with them, I sure ain't going to complain about the comments they made to me while we were out.
Maybe some of them she put up with because of the job. But some I feel she put herself in position to recieve. Don't make it right, but she could have avoided some of them.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Bette

Duckie, you are in the racing business. Is this sort of thing common at the tracks?

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

I'd be interested in the answer to that, too.

Don't know which you want me to comment one: discrimination or sexual harrassment; so pardon me if I address the wrong one as I see them as the same thing.

First, let me say that discrimination exists in all cultures, in all countries and in all civilizations and will never go away, no matter how much you want it to nor how many laws are passed, nor heads chopped off. Doesn't make it right, it just is the nature of the human beast.

We all do it, even if we don't think we are: the smelly panhandler, the drunken bum, the wife beater, the extortionist, the nieghborhood bully, the "too sweet" debutante, the politician, the "divorcee", the workaholic, the loudmouth, the preacher/priest/rabbi/holy man, and the in/out-laws. Each of these have been discriminated against by you and me. If you naturally like someone, you will afford them more of your self and the things you "control" than those you don't like. That's discrimination. Doesn't make it right, it just is the nature of the human beast.

We all tend to congregate into groups of like thoughts, looks, passtimes and social standings. Often we are reluctant to admit newcomers into our "circle", unless they pass the "likeness" test we have in our head.

So, how does this relate to local/regional/national/international racing? Sorry, but it's exactly the same.

• Nobody likes a cheater, but everyone will cheat at one time or another. Maybe it won't be a big thing, but will still be against the rules.
• Some people "hate" winners .. mostly because they haven't won, or their "favorite" didn't.
• Many people feel the back markers shouldn't be allowed on the track 'cause they're obstacles their "favorite" has to negotiate.
• Often times non-Caucasian and non-Hispanic and non-male drivers must perform better than their Caucasian/Hispanic/male counterparts to be accepted as anything more than a moving obstacle. Turns out Asian male drivers are beginning to gain acceptance in the upper echelons, but not many nor regularly.

As in every society (racing is a society, just as any other) there are "leaders" and "followers". The events and the people who populate the various parts of the events (fans, competitors, regulators and vendors) all have unwritten rules about those who are allowed to participate in the event and/or the part of the event. The "leaders" set the tone, the "followers" enforce the status quo. Oftentimes this means there are one or more individuals who are not "welcome" to participate and, thus, discriminated against in one form or another. Whether it's a Black driver, a female Caucasian crew chief or an Asian female promoter makes no difference...they aren't accepted into the "group" until they prove their abilities, under fire, and show themselves, at the very least, superior to the "average" member of the "pack".

Wendall Scott was accepted by the drivers .. at least most of them. Many of the teams "helped" him by giving him their cast-offs (used tires, parts, etc.) which allowed him to compete on his severly limited budget. Black spectators were rare also, which also hampered his efforts. When he finally won his Cup race, it was "protested", NASCAR crowned another the victor in victory lane, and a some time later, quietly gave Scott credit for the victory. That was possible because TV was not a standard part of NASCAR events. Therefore, against NASCAR's "decree" stood only spectator opinion of the actual outcome.

Doesn't make it right, it just is the nature of the human beast.