[3fanforever]

It's one thing to bump another car from behind regardless of when it's done. It's completely another to purposely wreck another car regardless of when it's done. Brad bumped Denny from behind...he was wrong. Denny purposely wrecked Brad...he was way over the line wrong.

[Jeffrey4396]

Originally Posted by jks812

So when a driver hits Jr( or any other driver) under caution, it'll be okay because they did nothing wrong, right?

First off let me just say I am in no way a Jr or Keslowski fan. You have to admit that the contact Brad made under caution was little to none. He barely drove up underneith him. Just enough to show that he was there. What Hamlin did was wrong. He is luck he didn't wreck himself. Hamlin tried to destroy Brad's car. If Hamlin had a problem with it then he should have talked to Brad about it after the race. Not try to wreck his car then whine about it to reporters.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey4396

First off let me just say I am in no way a Jr or Keslowski fan. You have to admit that the contact Brad made under caution was little to none. He barely drove up underneith him. Just enough to show that he was there. What Hamlin did was wrong. He is luck he didn't wreck himself. Hamlin tried to destroy Brad's car. If Hamlin had a problem with it then he should have talked to Brad about it after the race. Not try to wreck his car then whine about it to reporters.

I am a Jr fan, but it still don't make it right just cause it was his driver. I've seen people complain about one driver bumping another under caution and how the driver should be penalized. Then when Brad does it to Denny, it's all Denny's fault and Brad did nothing wrong. That's the part I'm not understanding. If you say Brad did nothing wrong, then you can't say another driver that does it under caution is wrong for doing it.
I didn't say Denny was right for hitting him. I don't think he should have done that.

[Racer Duck]

I didn't see the race, so I'm going on what my son told me. According to him, Keslowski had the faster car and every time he went to pass Hamlin, he was run up to the wall by Hamlin. Finally, after it had happened many, many times, during a caution Keslowski "bumped" Hamlin to let him know he wasn't pleased with how he was being treated. So, the next time he tried to pass, Hamlin wrecked him. Jr., who was right behind Keslowski, saw the whole thing and showed Hamlin his displeasure by "lifting his wheels" off the track. I think Hamlin got the message, but didn't publicly admit it.

What everyone needs to remember and understand, there's a "code" among drivers: race each other fairly; if I think you aren't racing me fairly, I'll signal you my displeasure with a "bump" - kind of a wake-up call. That's all it is, not a slap in the face, nor a "manhood" challenge. What happens next determines who's the villain. Denny came out the villain this time. But what goes round, comes round. Expect Denny to not get respect nor racing room from Keslowski next time.

It's time for Denny to get over his prima donna attitude. This year it's someone else who's on top and he's just gonna have to deal with it. These guys have a way of "policing" themselves .. and it'll happen, one way or another.

[Bob Tanner]

One thing some of you might be missing is Brad's heritage. He comes from a racing family. His dad, or maybe uncle, is Bob Kesolowski, a long-time mainstay in ARCA. In fact Bob was running, and being competitive, in Dodges long before MOPAR returned to major league racing.
Brad might be a youngster but his mentality is strictly "Old school." That "code" which Duck speaks of is just the way things are done, as far as Brad Kesolowski goes.
This weekend Hamlin might have replaced Kyle Busch as NA__AR's biggest brat.

[Jeffrey4396]

Originally Posted by jks812

I am a Jr fan, but it still don't make it right just cause it was his driver. I've seen people complain about one driver bumping another under caution and how the driver should be penalized. Then when Brad does it to Denny, it's all Denny's fault and Brad did nothing wrong. That's the part I'm not understanding. If you say Brad did nothing wrong, then you can't say another driver that does it under caution is wrong for doing it.
I didn't say Denny was right for hitting him. I don't think he should have done that.

To me this isn't Brad getting away with something because of his link to Jr. Want Brad did and what Denny did are too different things. Brad nudged Denny to show displeasure. A little nudge that would do no harm to his car. Denny being the brat he is tried to destroy Brad's car.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey4396

To me this isn't Brad getting away with something because of his link to Jr. Want Brad did and what Denny did are too different things. Brad nudged Denny to show displeasure. A little nudge that would do no harm to his car. Denny being the brat he is tried to destroy Brad's car.

Maybe Brad could have reacted as Jimmy Spencer did with Kurt? Wait until the race ended, go over to Denny's car and nail him right in the snot locker? I bet Junior would have paid the fine for Brad.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Maybe Brad could have reacted as Jimmy Spencer did with Kurt? Wait until the race ended, go over to Denny's car and nail him right in the snot locker? I bet Junior would have paid the fine for Brad.

Probably would have humbled Mr. Hamlin a little, yes?

[kcoruol]

JJ Yaley the new NASCAR villan.

During the 600, JR blew a tire and for some reason was riding the wall, I believe it was JJ Yaley who ran into the back of JR and demolished his own car, JR suffered some damage to the cars body.

The commentators on Speed TV Victory Lane about had a hissy fit over the fact.

Notice to all NASCAR drivers:

Unless you want to be put into the same bad boy basket as Busch, Hamlin, and Yaley; steer clear, way clear of JR and Keslowski. If you bend their metal your name will be mud.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

Unless you want to be put into the same bad boy basket as Busch, Hamlin, and Yaley; steer clear, way clear of JR and Keslowski. If you bend their metal your name will be mud.

I would put Yeley into the category of not payin attention. Thought that was pretty obvious he wasn't payin attention since he ran into the back of a car. Wouldn't have mattered who the driver was, he wasn't payin attention.

[kcoruol]

To be fair I only saw the clip of Yaley a second before he drove into the back of DEJ.

I really don't know if he drove the length of the track with an unobstructed view and then drove into him or maybe there was a driver between them who just moved out of the way and there was DEJ leaving Yaley little to no time to react.

[3fanforever]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

To be fair I only saw the clip of Yaley a second before he drove into the back of DEJ.

I really don't know if he drove the length of the track with an unobstructed view and then drove into him or maybe there was a driver between them who just moved out of the way and there was DEJ leaving Yaley little to no time to react.

Nice to see you admit you make statements about things without very much knowledge about them. Thanks for being honest about it.

[GrimlockAutobot]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I kind of think that it was because he [Hamlin] is a Cup driver and such "stars" are owed certain considerations (like rolling over and letting them beat you).

NA__AR has already set up and given tacit approval to one privileged group (The Chosen 35). They're doing the same thing by allowing the Cup teams and drivers to compete in BGN.

Great point. Gibbs drivers are the first ones to complain about drivers racing them hard and not giving them room (Stewart included.) but, they're the first ones to race someone hard and not give them an inch I.E. Kyle Busch in Richmond with Junior.

Sorry Gibbs drivers you can't have it both ways. You can't play games out there and then whine and cry when someone does it to you.

Also, like someone else pointed out Hamlin was a visitor in the Nationwide race so no one owes him anything like he insinuated.

[Racer Duck]

I think we've finally found the replacement "name" for Buschwackers: "Visitors"

what say ye?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I think we've finally found the replacement "name" for Buschwackers: "Visitors"

what say ye?

Trespassers or interlopers fit much, much better, IMNSVHO. How about going to the current P.C. terminology, "Undocumented drivers?"

But, "visitors" will suffice. It shows that BGN is NOT their home. Works for me.