[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

Kyle Busch is 23 and just hitting his prime, I say he's got a few more good years left and then should retire instead of hanging around like DEJ and Jeff Gordon. Jimmie Johnson perfect example. Should've retired at the end of last year, go out a winner. This year, the poor guy can barely finish in the top 10. Everybody askin' him when's he gonna win?

Twenty-three and you're already talking about his mandatory retirement?

Wow!!!

It's deja-vu all over again! That is similar to what I heard from the hippies (those lovable, unwashed minions who sang about hard times they'd never seen, hard work they'd never done, and love affairs they were incapable of having) when their mantra was, "Never trust anyone over thirty!"

I have my own chant: "Soylant Green is People!!!"

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Twenty-three and you're already talking about his mandatory retirement?

Wow!!!

It's deja-vu all over again! That is similar to what I heard from the hippies (those lovable, unwashed minions who sang about hard times they'd never seen, hard work they'd never done, and love affairs they were incapable of having) when their mantra was, "Never trust anyone over thirty!"

I have my own chant: "Soylant Green is People!!!"

can you imagine NASCAR being compared to female gymnastics: you're over the hill at 18!!!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

can you imagine NASCAR being compared to female gymnastics: you're over the hill at 18!!!

Apparently some of the folks think that type of thing is the ideal situation.

It's not about racing ability, Duck. To them it's all about youth, personality, good looks, and hype. Symbolism over substance.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!

[clutch]

Does it look like Kenny is ready to retire?
from Jayski:


Schrader and Herman finish 1-2: Ken Schrader and Kenny Wallace gave the crowd exactly what it was looking for Wednesday night at Peoria Speedway. The two NASCAR drivers finished 1-2 in the 20-lap UMP Modified, with Schrader winning his second race in a row after taking the feature at Fairbury on Tuesday night. "It's simple," Schrader said. "You have to go where they're not. You don't just get to drive wherever you want to." Schrader started fifth, finally catching Wallace with two laps remaining.(Peoria Journal Star)(5-22-200
I hope he does well in the RCR #33 this weekend

[BiscuitMan]

Originally Posted by clutch

Does it look like Kenny is ready to retire?
from Jayski:

Schrader and Herman finish 1-2: Ken Schrader and Kenny Wallace gave the crowd exactly what it was looking for Wednesday night at Peoria Speedway. The two NASCAR drivers finished 1-2 in the 20-lap UMP Modified, with Schrader winning his second race in a row after taking the feature at Fairbury on Tuesday night. "It's simple," Schrader said. "You have to go where they're not. You don't just get to drive wherever you want to." Schrader started fifth, finally catching Wallace with two laps remaining.(Peoria Journal Star)(5-22-200
I hope he does well in the RCR #33 this weekend

No way for Kenny Schrader to retire. He'll be driving the hearse at his own funeral.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by clutch

Does it look like Kenny is ready to retire?
from Jayski:


Schrader and Herman finish 1-2: Ken Schrader and Kenny Wallace gave the crowd exactly what it was looking for Wednesday night at Peoria Speedway. The two NASCAR drivers finished 1-2 in the 20-lap UMP Modified, with Schrader winning his second race in a row after taking the feature at Fairbury on Tuesday night. "It's simple," Schrader said. "You have to go where they're not. You don't just get to drive wherever you want to." Schrader started fifth, finally catching Wallace with two laps remaining.(Peoria Journal Star)(5-22-200
I hope he does well in the RCR #33 this weekend

Not to rain on your parade, Clutch but remember, Hut Stricklin, Jimmy Spencer and Dick Trickle were almost unbeatable on short local tracks also.

Kenny Wallace never had it. Schrader once had it, but lost it around 1995, when Jeffie sent him flipping end-over-end at Talladega. That seems to have been a pivotal point for Schrader.

[bamaga]

I don't neccesarily agree, while Shepard and elliott have most certainly earned their place in Nascar, Schrader will race anything, anytime, anywhere. He is a racecar driver, thats what he does.....I think I saw him race shopping carts at kroger last night! and ken has always been like that throughout his career. If a team owner thinks they can add something to their team, thats up to them. Racing is expensive, I don't think team owners and sponsors would just throw money away with a driver that didn't offer anything.
On a related note, what about nascar legend Red Farmer. He still races asphalt and dirt at age 74?. many here may not know of him, but he was voted in Nascars top 50 of all time a few years back . I bring him up because i am 45 and he raced at BIR in Birmingham when I was 6 or 7, and he was 30 something then. I still think he uses the number f-97 and always drove a ford!!!
He was in last years prelude to a dream and made the feature, against nascars best so don't be so quick to condemn for age!!

[clutch]

Originally Posted by bamaga

I don't neccesarily agree, while Shepard and elliott have most certainly earned their place in Nascar, Schrader will race anything, anytime, anywhere. He is a racecar driver, thats what he does.....I think I saw him race shopping carts at kroger last night! and ken has always been like that throughout his career. If a team owner thinks they can add something to their team, thats up to them. Racing is expensive, I don't think team owners and sponsors would just throw money away with a driver that didn't offer anything.
On a related note, what about nascar legend Red Farmer. He still races asphalt and dirt at age 74?. many here may not know of him, but he was voted in Nascars top 50 of all time a few years back . I bring him up because i am 45 and he raced at BIR in Birmingham when I was 6 or 7, and he was 30 something then. I still think he uses the number f-97 and always drove a ford!!!
He was in last years prelude to a dream and made the feature, against nascars best so don't be so quick to condemn for age!!

Amen!

Good post there Bamaga

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by bamaga

I don't neccesarily agree, while Shepard and elliott have most certainly earned their place in Nascar, Schrader will race anything, anytime, anywhere. He is a racecar driver, thats what he does.....I think I saw him race shopping carts at kroger last night! and ken has always been like that throughout his career. If a team owner thinks they can add something to their team, thats up to them. Racing is expensive, I don't think team owners and sponsors would just throw money away with a driver that didn't offer anything.
On a related note, what about nascar legend Red Farmer. He still races asphalt and dirt at age 74?. many here may not know of him, but he was voted in Nascars top 50 of all time a few years back . I bring him up because i am 45 and he raced at BIR in Birmingham when I was 6 or 7, and he was 30 something then. I still think he uses the number f-97 and always drove a ford!!!
He was in last years prelude to a dream and made the feature, against nascars best so don't be so quick to condemn for age!!

...and you will find Red at the Talladega dirt track, next to the super speedway almost every Saturday night. (and winning a good amount of the time!)


But, that is on a short track for relatively little money, as opposed to NA__AR highest level. BIG difference.

I hesitate to say any driver "should" retire. I'm judgemental enough without throwing around a bunch of "should's." It's a free country. I guess the industry polices itself when it comes to climbing out of the car for the last time. That's the way it is best, here in the USA.

[wingkey1]

If the vote is "Thumbs Down" for Kenny S., then it must be same for Robbie G.!

Actually our (hmmmmm, don't know the word here because in truth we see them both as true racers) frustration (??!!**$$??) has been that neither would devote even 90% of their attention and efforts to the Cup. Feel (Can't know) had either completely focused on Cup, their measure of success (?) in/at Cup would have fewer calling for their heads.

Yet while their lack of focus to a single level/category caused us pain (I know, we need to get a life), we could on the other hand enjoy eachs pure enjoyment in their involvement of competition everywhere and elsewhere just for what it was and the reward it gave them. Oh that we all could share and experience the freedom in that.

So what does all of this mean. Neither should walk away. Not yet. Not for me. Cause come the day that one of these "also dabbles in NASCAR at the Cup level" wins an event, Joy will be the feeling here. But what do we know.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

If the vote is "Thumbs Down" for Kenny S., then it must be same for Robbie G.!

Actually our (hmmmmm, don't know the word here because in truth we see them both as true racers) frustration (??!!**$$??) has been that neither would devote even 90% of their attention and efforts to the Cup. Feel (Can't know) had either completely focused on Cup, their measure of success (?) in/at Cup would have fewer calling for their heads.

Yet while their lack of focus to a single level/category caused us pain (I know, we need to get a life), we could on the other hand enjoy eachs pure enjoyment in their involvement of competition everywhere and elsewhere just for what it was and the reward it gave them. Oh that we all could share and experience the freedom in that.

So what does all of this mean. Neither should walk away. Not yet. Not for me. Cause come the day that one of these "also dabbles in NASCAR at the Cup level" wins an event, Joy will be the feeling here. But what do we know.

We see it about the same. If a guy can qualify for a race at any advanced age, let him do it. If he qualifies and then performs at a less than competitive condition... (The King and DW immediately come to mind) so be it. If they can stay out there and be a pitiful remnant of their prior glory... Well, if they can take the humiliation I can either watch it or turn it off. Just don't give them free passes to the party based on who they are. That is an insult to both the driver and the true race fan.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

We see it about the same. If a guy can qualify for a race at any advanced age, let him do it. If he qualifies and then performs at a less than competitive condition... (The King and DW immediately come to mind) so be it. If they can stay out there and be a pitiful remnant of their prior glory... Well, if they can take the humiliation I can either watch it or turn it off. Just don't give them free passes to the party based on who they are. That is an insult to both the driver and the true race fan.

"We see it about the same" - Not sure (fact I know) I was feeling an "age" thing in the observation. Guess i did that wrong somewhere.

[clutch]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

If the vote is "Thumbs Down" for Kenny S., then it must be same for Robbie G.!

Actually our (hmmmmm, don't know the word here because in truth we see them both as true racers) frustration (??!!**$$??) has been that neither would devote even 90% of their attention and efforts to the Cup. Feel (Can't know) had either completely focused on Cup, their measure of success (?) in/at Cup would have fewer calling for their heads.

Yet while their lack of focus to a single level/category caused us pain (I know, we need to get a life), we could on the other hand enjoy eachs pure enjoyment in their involvement of competition everywhere and elsewhere just for what it was and the reward it gave them. Oh that we all could share and experience the freedom in that.

So what does all of this mean. Neither should walk away. Not yet. Not for me. Cause come the day that one of these "also dabbles in NASCAR at the Cup level" wins an event, Joy will be the feeling here. But what do we know.

The two guys are similar Wing in that they spread themselves around different racing series possibly a little too thin sometimes but I sure like their drive......and the way they drive

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by clutch

The two guys are similar Wing in that they spread themselves around different racing series possibly a little too thin sometimes but I sure like their drive......and the way they drive

With you 100% here.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

With you 100% here.

I agree .. these are two of the busiest and most versatile drivers around. (And I like both .. to the point of giving them the benefit of a doubt in my fantasy racing teams...) But, Robby is 14 years younger than Ken, who's 53... so age comparisons don't work.