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05-17-2008, 11:28 PM
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| Uh-Oh... All Toyo Haters - Must Read! All-Star notes... Stewart blows an engine in practice... and is forced to the back of the line at the start of the race... Shrub runs away from everyone then... BLOWS UP! Hamlin runs strong, takes the lead, then BLOWS UP! All three Gibbs cars had engine problems tonight folks... maybe those Toyota engines aren't what they're cut up to be??? Oh, no... or... Maybe... they were just "testing" stuff? If I'm a Gibbs fan though, I'm definitely concerned! Or should I be? After all none of what happened matters to the grand scheme of things...
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05-17-2008, 11:36 PM
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| Re: Uh-Oh... All Toyo Haters - Must Read! Quote:
My guess is that Gibbs tried something new in the All Star engines and it will be changed next week, when points are on the line. I totally agree with your last sentence.
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05-18-2008, 06:35 AM
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| Re: Uh-Oh... All Toyo Haters - Must Read! Possib/Probab - ilities Fair chance engines were put together on the looser side of tolerances. Not unlike when once upon a time teams had and used "qualifying engines". Makes 'em a bit more ready to spin up quicker. Might be cause/reason that the Shrubber looked "out of a cannon" in a race against snails. Can be good news when all items (engines in this case) display/respond in similar or same manner. Provides fairly decent testimony around the goodness/badness of the choice. Don't recall that any of the other Toyos grenaded. |
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05-18-2008, 08:51 AM
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05-18-2008, 08:55 AM
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| Re: Uh-Oh... All Toyo Haters - Must Read! Mark Cromquist, Gibbs' engine builder/guru was on one of the Sirius shows a week or so ago and made a comment that they (he and his staff) haven't even began to "tinker" with the existing Toyota engines Gibbs uses! To this point, they have taken what TRD has sent them and pretty much used them out of the box with little or no modification. Of course, it could very well be that Mark, in his own way, is messing with the heads of those listening so you can't tell, but if what he says is true, it's going to be one heckuva "show and tell" coming down the stretch with all three Gibbs cars in championship contention! Tony Stewart had to start in the back because his engine let go after qualifying or sometime around then. They replace the engine, he starts in 21st and finishes fifth without any further engine problems. The other two guys went with the engine package that eventually killed their runs so they were not able to replace those engines before the race began. My theory is, the second engine they put into Stewart's car is the "regular" engine and the two that went south are experimental! Knowing what I know about testing and experimenting, sometimes the failed tests can yield way more data to the people doing the research because inasmuch as learning from what you do right can make you better, learning what NOT to do can mean just as much! |
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05-19-2008, 05:50 PM
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| Re: Uh-Oh... All Toyo Haters - Must Read! The news out of the Gibbs garage about the two failed engines was the rocker arms failed in both. The other news is these engines were assembled and built in-house, by JGR, and were NOT taken from TRD. Smoke went from a JGR motor to a TRD motor for the race and did just fine. Word is, the Gibbs team will race TRD engines in the upcoming 600 this weekend but at some point, they will quite likely make the switch to in-house motors. Like Bob Tanner alluded to in his post about using the All-Star race as a testing session, the Gibbs team went into this race knowing full well that using their own engines could result in problems and sure enough, they became painfully evident. Aside from blown engines though, no points means no harm, no foul! |
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05-19-2008, 07:28 PM
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| Re: Uh-Oh... All Toyo Haters - Must Read! Why do people here talk smack when they can read what the deal is for real and not try to make like they know what is happening after reading?I guess,I think,my take.B.S.Read people, NASCAR.COM - JGR engine experiment backfires in All-Star event - May 19, 2008 Experts or people with knowledge,Here?Give us a break! |
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05-19-2008, 07:44 PM
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| Re: Uh-Oh... All Toyo Haters - Must Read! Teressa Earnhardt had em rigged with a kill switch. She had the kill switches extensively tested last year on JR. Word on the street is she has a mole planted over at Gibbs and at the Toyota Racing in the engine division. I have a friend who has a friend who's uncle knows somebody who got the inside scoop on all of this. 
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05-20-2008, 06:25 AM
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Give us a break.
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