[Nevadastars]

I'm just wondering if the rabid Jr.-does-no-wrong fans remember this from Kansas last year. They most likely applauded........


NEW YORK -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. left Kyle Busch a message this week, presumably to apologize for wrecking him last week at Kansas Speedway. The two have yet to connect, but it's little consolation to Busch, anyway.

Dale Earnhardt Jr. took all the blame for running into Kyle Busch early in the LifeLock 400 at Kansas Speedway.

He was in the thick of the race for the Nextel Cup title before the accident, but now sits sixth in the standings after his 41st-place finish.

"He left me a message, but his number is blocked and he didn't tell me how to get in touch with him," Busch said. "It's pretty hard to swallow to be totally wrecked like that by the guy who is taking your job next season, and it really hurt us in the Chase. It's done now, nothing you can do, but I don't feel real good about it."

[wingkey1]

Dear Nevada,

You must be wrong. That isn’t possibly true. You faked the story. You altered the picture. It never happened and even if it did, which it didn’t, there would be a plausible explanation exonerating whoever I felt the deep need to exonerate.

It has nothing to do with anything. It has everything to do with nothing. This was just a “racing thing”, totally unlike what occurred this weekend. How can anyone not see that?

And oh by the way, the Budweiser car is Kahn.

Where’s your head? What are you thinking?

Deeply hurt and confused. At least enough of the Bud last year could help me forget, well pretty much everything. Just downed our 12th Amp after reading the travesty represented in this faked event in NASCAR history, and all it has done is make me think twice as fast about your post.

Terrible. Terrible. May never recover.

Regards,

Igor Eights

[GrimlockAutobot]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

I'm just wondering if the rabid Jr.-does-no-wrong fans remember this from Kansas last year. They most likely applauded........


NEW YORK -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. left Kyle Busch a message this week, presumably to apologize for wrecking him last week at Kansas Speedway. The two have yet to connect, but it's little consolation to Busch, anyway.

Dale Earnhardt Jr. took all the blame for running into Kyle Busch early in the LifeLock 400 at Kansas Speedway.

He was in the thick of the race for the Nextel Cup title before the accident, but now sits sixth in the standings after his 41st-place finish.

"He left me a message, but his number is blocked and he didn't tell me how to get in touch with him," Busch said. "It's pretty hard to swallow to be totally wrecked like that by the guy who is taking your job next season, and it really hurt us in the Chase. It's done now, nothing you can do, but I don't feel real good about it."

Sorry that still doesn't beat wrecking someone with 3 laps to go and costing them a victory...ON PURPOSE IMO.

I don't think Junior can do no wrong.....but, what Kyle did was dirty and inexcuseable....no matter who the driver was...Junior or not.

What Dale did to Kyle may or may not have been an accident....and it was wrong too....but, it doesn't justify what Kyle did on Saturday night.....and what he has done throughout his young career.....which is wreck people.

Dale did try to apologize and didn't act like a cocky ass like Kyle did on Saturday....I mean he bragged about wrecking people after the Nationwide race and then went out and did it in the Sprint race......that was totally classless, dirty, and inexcuseable.

What Dale did doesn't make it alright....and like I said, Dale isn't perfect in my eyes either.

[Phils20]

But that is just the kind of move the Sr is smiling down upon right now. If he was still here, he would be chewing out JR for leaving himself open to it.

Can't have it both ways.

Hell, I've seen Gordon wreck folks more blatantly than that. and NASACR scene just had an article this week on Rudds turning of Harvick a few years ago. And then there is Johnny Sauters wreck of Kenseth years ago in the Busch race.

NASCAR history is chock full of incidents like this. Some famous, some infamous. It all depends on which side of the issue you are on. Or more accurately, which driver you are a fan of.

It's short track racing.

All I've been reading on here is how dull the last two Bristol races were because no one is wrecking, and they are racing like they are just going for points, with ZERO contact.

This weekend, we had some action, and folks are soaking their hankies over it!!

wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Bob Tanner]

Don,
I see that you've mastered Photo Shop's digital image manipulation program. That picture makes it look almost like Junior spun Kyle? Surely you aren't implying that our beloved "June Bug" actually did the dastardly act you depicted? (No, I didn't call you Shirley)

Like you, I like Junior. He's a Hell of a talent, as his eighteen win show. He's got more on his plate than anyone should have and he handles the whole thing pretty well, in my opinion. But he just has to be embarrassed by his "Amp Army" soldiers who are so obsessive and juvenile-minded about him. (But they do buy a lot of his T&T, and put a ton of extra bucks in this pocket, so maybe not?)

He handled the Saturday night episode a lot better than many of these "fans." His, and Bowyer's, statement about Kyle might need a police escort to get him out of the track shows just how aware he is of the rabidity of these poor people who live their lives vicariously through Junior.

Thanks for the picture and the post. It showed that all of them are just racers.

[GrimlockAutobot]

Originally Posted by Phils20

But that is just the kind of move the Sr is smiling down upon right now. If he was still here, he would be chewing out JR for leaving himself open to it.

Can't have it both ways.

Hell, I've seen Gordon wreck folks more blatantly than that. and NASACR scene just had an article this week on Rudds turning of Harvick a few years ago. And then there is Johnny Sauters wreck of Kenseth years ago in the Busch race.

NASCAR history is chock full of incidents like this. Some famous, some infamous. It all depends on which side of the issue you are on. Or more accurately, which driver you are a fan of.

It's short track racing.

All I've been reading on here is how dull the last two Bristol races were because no one is wrecking, and they are racing like they are just going for points, with ZERO contact.

This weekend, we had some action, and folks are soaking their hankies over it!!

wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I can't speak for anyone else on here but, I know I'm NOT crying.

What the Gibbs teammates pulled on saturday night was dirty and underhanded.....I'm a Junior fan....but, I would've thought what Shrub did was wrong if it was Jimmie Johnson or even his brother who he wrecked.(and I don't care too much for those guys.)

What Hamlin did was dirty too......waiting out a caution so Shrub could get back on Junior's bumper. (Junior was starting to pull away.) Hamiln's nickname should be "Scrub" after that because Gibbs pulled the "Scrub and Shrub show" on Saturday.

Or better yet, the term "Bush League" should be changed to "BusCh League" because that's what Kyle was on Friday and Saturday.

I wish someone would pull a Jimmy Spencer or a Tony Stewart on the younger Busch.

[Smoke+GibbsFan]

I have to agree with Phils20 on this one. If you are Jr. and see Kyle comming on you like that why not give him the room? Jr. had the faster car all night long and enough laps to get the lead back. Its short track racing, and thank god for this ruckus. I have season passes to Richmond, and was thinking about not renewing then after watching the first 350 laps. Then something exciting fianlly happend.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Smoke+GibbsFan

I have to agree with Phils20 on this one. f you are Jr. and see Kyle comming on you like that why not give him the room? Jr. had the faster car all night long and enough laps to get the lead back. Its short track racing, and thank god for this ruckus. I have season passes to Richmond, and was thinking about not renewing then after watching the first 350 laps. Then something exciting fianlly happend.

I'm glad that I'm not the only who found the race basically less than exciting. I think the race was a good case made for shortening the race by 120 laps. They they'd have to "go for it," from the drop of the green flag.

[GrimlockAutobot]

Originally Posted by Smoke+GibbsFan

I have to agree with Phils20 on this one. If you are Jr. and see Kyle comming on you like that why not give him the room? Jr. had the faster car all night long and enough laps to get the lead back. Its short track racing, and thank god for this ruckus. I have season passes to Richmond, and was thinking about not renewing then after watching the first 350 laps. Then something exciting fianlly happend.

Isn't it the "gentlemans rule" that the slower car is the one who's supposed to be giving the room in that situation? I think that's been the situation in NASCAR for quite a while. Busch had the slower car and he was the one pushing his luck in that situation.

So to answer your question: NO Junior is the NOT the one who's supposed to be giving the room in this instance. Smoke has even had issues with Shrub not giving him room when he was the slower car on several occasions.

[Phils20]

If he was so much slower, how did he come up beside him??


Here is the clip. Go to about 2:10 in, and see how much ground Kyle made up on him. They race side be side, then Kyle gets into him. Actually, you can see Kyles back end get loose, and he makes contact.

I just don't know how much more patience Kyle needs to show. You can't wait until the last turn of the last lap to try and make a pass.

I would be PO"D at my driver if they just pulled over and let someone win. I just don't see it as you do. Take another look at this, and tell me he just "runs him over".

If you still think so, fine. That is enough evidence for me though. If he wanted to turn him, he could have just done what Jeff Gordon does, and tapped him in the left rear, instead of pulling up beside him.

Just a racin deal!

YouTube - Kyle Busch Public Enemy #1!

[3fanforever]

Originally Posted by Phils20

If he was so much slower, how did he come up beside him??

Didn't he start from 3rd on the restart, and pass another car to get to Jr?Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought that was what happened.

Hamlin was 1st on the restart, his tire started going flat and he slowed down. Both Junior and Kyle passed Hamlin at the same time, Junior on the high side, Kyle on the bottom. When they got around Hamlin, Junior's car took the lead ahead of Kyle because he got clear of Hamlin before Kyle did. I believe that's the way it happened.

[GrimlockAutobot]

Originally Posted by Phils20

If he was so much slower, how did he come up beside him??


Here is the clip. Go to about 2:10 in, and see how much ground Kyle made up on him. They race side be side, then Kyle gets into him. Actually, you can see Kyles back end get loose, and he makes contact.

I just don't know how much more patience Kyle needs to show. You can't wait until the last turn of the last lap to try and make a pass.

I would be PO"D at my driver if they just pulled over and let someone win. I just don't see it as you do. Take another look at this, and tell me he just "runs him over".

If you still think so, fine. That is enough evidence for me though. If he wanted to turn him, he could have just done what Jeff Gordon does, and tapped him in the left rear, instead of pulling up beside him.

Just a racin deal!

YouTube - Kyle Busch Public Enemy #1!

Originally Posted by 3fanforever

Hamlin was 1st on the restart, his tire started going flat and he slowed down. Both Junior and Kyle passed Hamlin at the same time, Junior on the high side, Kyle on the bottom. When they got around Hamlin, Junior's car took the lead ahead of Kyle because he got clear of Hamlin before Kyle did. I believe that's the way it happened.

Junior had the faster car plain and simple. He was in the process of passing Busch for 2nd when the caution came out because McMurray hit the wall (right before Hamlin's tire went down. can't remember what lap it was.) He had a run on Shrub then because he had the better car.

Busch clearly made a right turn up into Junior. He wasn't loose or he would've went into the wall with him. Busch even ADMITTED he wasn't loose until AFTER Junior spun so why else wiould you turn into someone other than to wreck them?

Also, more evidence that he wasn't loose? Becuase he was able to go around the spinning car of Junior on a dime. Does that sound like a car that's out of control?

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by GrimlockAutobot

Junior had the faster car plain and simple. He was in the process of passing Busch for 2nd when the caution came out because McMurray hit the wall (right before Hamlin's tire went down. can't remember what lap it was.) He had a run on Shrub then because he had the better car.

Busch clearly made a right turn up into Junior. He wasn't loose or he would've went into the wall with him. Busch even ADMITTED he wasn't loose until AFTER Junior spun so why else wiould you turn into someone other than to wreck them?

Also, more evidence that he wasn't loose? Becuase he was able to go around the spinning car of Junior on a dime. Does that sound like a car that's out of control?

Did you watch the video? It shows the wreck, you might wanna try to actullay watch it without having your mind made up.

Again, I have made it clear before I'm no fan of Kyle. In your defense, you don't know that since you haven't been on here that long. No biggie.

I just don't see the same thing you do.

I'm done with this.

Next topic.

[LSC9901]

Once again it seems like fanatics rule. No one on this forum knows FOR SURE what happened to Kyle's car. Be honest. If you feel he did it on purpose, say so but state it as an opinion, not a fact. Being a race fan versus a driver fan I have no love for either driver. Kyle, from my point of view (OPINION), has an attitude issue. That is another entire thread. Jr is over hyped by the media. Yet another thread. Both are competent drivers. They are not in the top series and winning races because of their inability to drive.

In watching, watching and re-watching the video I'll say I see Kyle's wheels turn right. At that very same time it also looks (too me) that Jr is coming down. What caused either of them to do what they did will NEVER be known by us.

If you're either a Jr fan or a Kyle fan is fine by me, just put the brakes on the "FACTS". State an opinion and move on. Unless you were in the car with them and actually in their mind .... you're just guessing.

[3fanforever]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Unless you were in the car with them and actually in their mind .... you're just guessing.

Maybe Taz was in Junior's car yelling "Where's Dale, where's Dale?"

As for the Kyle vs Dale thing, I'll admit it right now, I looked into the mirror yesterday and saw a hypocrite looking back at me. Saturday night I found myself wanting Busch to shut up and quit driving like a maniac. This after I screamed at NASCAR for the last few years to let these guys be who they are, let them bump and bang and trade paint, and say what they feel in the interviews. Get some kind of excitement back in the sport and let some kind of rivalry get started without fear of being dragged into Mike Helton's trailer. So today I think this is exactly what NASCAR needs. A good old fashioned week to week, race to race, year to year rivalry. I'm just not sure it's gonna happen though, and it won't be because of Kyle Busch. He's certainly doing everything he can to get it going with as many drivers as he can.