[Mudbug]

Originally Posted by bears9

Okay guys let's just take a minute to breath, and agree to disagree.

Lets all puff puff & pass......This is what makes it fun to watch, Its fun to agree & disagree....payback is a b-t-h

[Intox]

Every Hero needs a Villan (check spelling), Who better than the guy who was kicked to the curb, and replaced by Nascars Golden boy....Though im a bigger fan of Gordon vs. Junior, but thats really only in the minds of fans...

[jks812]

Originally Posted by bayou_bengals

I'm didn't say Jr. was the be all end all of NASCAR. I am just a rabid fan who will not excuse someone who has a history of this sort of behavior.

But I'm the kind of fan that if I can excuse Jr for doing it I can excuse it being done to Jr. Especially when it wasn't even intentional.

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by bayou_bengals

Maybe if Jrs. equipment and company issues weren't pulling him down is more like it. I mean his start so far with Hendrick this year should be enough to attest that. Don't ever put that idiot in Dale's league again. I'm sure you'll respond, but just remember this. Dale had far more success his first few years than Busch. And one more thing. The finishing order comment is just stupid. Busch didn't have a crunched bumber and flat spotted tires. Get real!!!!

Equipment? He still has stuff miles better than what he had a DEI, if he really was the golden boy that people make him out to be, he'd be the one running around dominating NASCAR's top 3 series, not Busch. As for being in Dale's "League" I think he's more than proven this year that he can drive just as good as NASCAR's elite, seeing as how he is the points leader and has racked up a good 3(?) wins under his belt. (He won Atlanta, Talledega and Richmond if I'm not mistaken). Whereas Junior hasn't won in 2 years, or 1 year of you want to discount last years abortion of a season.

And obviously Dale wasn't going to rally back and win the race after the crash, that wasn't even my point. What I was trying to say was that Busch ended up in second because he did what he needed to do, whereas Junior has failed to capitalize on more than a few occasions this season.

Oh and please don't call me or my comments stupid, obviously I know a broken car doesn't drive faster.

[Nevadastars]

Man, some of you guys need to chill out. This was hard racing and that's all it was.........not life and death. Relax and grab a cold one........I am.

[Intox]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

Man, some of you guys need to chill out. This was hard racing and that's all it was.........not life and death.

I agree...

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

Man, some of you guys need to chill out. This was hard racing and that's all it was.........not life and death. Relax and grab a cold one........I am.

S'all in good fun on my end.

[GrimlockAutobot]

Originally Posted by Intox

Every Hero needs a Villan (check spelling), Who better than the guy who was kicked to the curb, and replaced by Nascars Golden boy....Though im a bigger fan of Gordon vs. Junior, but thats really only in the minds of fans...

It gets on my nerves when people refer to Junior as NASCAR's "Golden Boy". He is a humble down-to-earth guy and he didn't ask to be in this role. If anything, it seems like he doesn't want all of the attention.

That is completely unlike guys like shrub who will say and do anything to bring attention to themselves. JUst like a whiny little crybaby brat.

With that said, the situation would've been wrong in my opinion no matter which driver Busch wrecked....so it really doesn't matter if he wrecked NASCAR's most popular driver. (I hate that statement as well.)

[bayou_bengals]

Originally Posted by jks812

I don't feel like he had to do that to show up HMS or Jr. I kinda think he's already done that, before tonight.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Jr. has run in the top 10 most of the year. Top 5 for that matter. It's gonna take a lot more than a few wins to show up Rick Hendrick or Dale Jr.

[anotherwreck]

Mark my words and this post, the next tragedy/death in Nascar will be the result of an accident Kyle Busch causes. He's a menance and a danger to both the fellow racers and the sport.

We can debate all we want here, practically every other driver hates his guts. Did you see him cowher like the little girl he is to his old friend? He was a big tough mouth in the press interview but didn't say boo to the guy when he looked like he was going to get his teeth knocked out. I like Kurt Busch, Kyle is a snot nosed weasle that needs a good beating from one of the other drivers which is what would have happened 15 years ago.

This is the 2nd or 3rd time he's wrecked Dale, he did it at Daytona down the last few laps and that was far more egregious. He turned Dale tonight, let's stop debating it. Long before he had any wheel hop he was turning into Dale. He was about to lose the race as Dale was about to take the lead and he wrecked him.

A night before he ranted he'd wreck anybody he had to, he's a punk and he's going to ruin Nascar. I'm at the point that I didn't even watch the last 15 laps live because I knew it was coming and sure enough there it was on Tivo.

He will kill someone sooner rather than later on the track. Forget petty racing squabbles, he is and looks like a total pec*er. Could anyone look less manly than this guy?

[bayou_bengals]

Originally Posted by The Dude

Equipment? He still has stuff miles better than what he had a DEI, if he really was the golden boy that people make him out to be, he'd be the one running around dominating NASCAR's top 3 series, not Busch. As for being in Dale's "League" I think he's more than proven this year that he can drive just as good as NASCAR's elite, seeing as how he is the points leader and has racked up a good 3(?) wins under his belt. (He won Atlanta, Talledega and Richmond if I'm not mistaken). Whereas Junior hasn't won in 2 years, or 1 year of you want to discount last years abortion of a season.

And obviously Dale wasn't going to rally back and win the race after the crash, that wasn't even my point. What I was trying to say was that Busch ended up in second because he did what he needed to do, whereas Junior has failed to capitalize on more than a few occasions this season.

Oh and please don't call me or my comments stupid, obviously I know a broken car doesn't drive faster.

First of all I guess I missed something. Did Clint Bowyer not win tonight? Second, I'm not trying to be personal, but you brought up the driving talent thing. Jr. is not the best ever. I realize that. But just because he hasn't won in two years doesn't make Busch miles better or whatever. And lastly, I don't see Jr. even running races in the other two series so how is that comment plausible? Seriously......why do people excuse this guy for his behavior?

[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by The Dude

Yet amazingly, he ended up second, and Jr. in sixteenth, so it seems that Busch made the right call, made the right move, and got second place.

Maybe if Jr. drove as "badly" as Busch, he wouldn't have gone over 2 years without a win.

Why should a driver with the talent Busch has have to wreck someone to get around them? It's talent that allows a driver to pass without wrecking. The fact that this most likely was a racing incident is going to be overshadowed by his big mouth and "it's ok to wreck 'em" attitude. If you can't pass cleanly, and fairly, then don't pass. This goes for any driver, not just Busch. Bangin' doors and tire rubs happen, that's surely racing. But wrecking a guy to get by is just cheap. Once in a while is understandable, I guess, but when one makes a habbit of it, then runs is mouth about it blaming everyone but himself, well, I'm not thinkin' that's a good thing.

[3fanforever]

Kyle Busch's latest statement..."I'll say it again, its just unfortunate circumstances for him because he didn't get a win, and for me because now I've got to put up with it.''

[anotherwreck]

What I was trying to say was that Busch ended up in second because he did what he needed to do, whereas Junior has failed to capitalize

Anyone can win races if they're willing to wreck other drivers or push so hard that other drivers fear being wrecked. Right now nobody wants to drive anywhere near this loon and for good reason. One night he's in a fight saying he'll wreck anyone and the next night he does it.

Nascar should give him a seat for a week for tonight. The initial impression of the announcers tonight was the correct one, he wrecked him. Reportedly the majority of the drivers that have seen the accident feel the same way, it may not have been exactly deliberate but it was awfully close.

Dale had the better car, that was proven repeatedly the last 100 laps. A responsible driver doesn't try to run low when his car couldn't do it earlier on fresher tires. He was about to lose the lead and rather than keep his car under control he wrecked Dale. If Dale was a smidge further ahead the end result would have been Kyle spinning out and taking out 5-10 cars behind him as usual.

He's a danger, maybe it's time Nascar starts to restrict how many races someone can run in. His comments after the race, what a rotten little puke. I really wish Dale's pit guy had beat the crap out of him on TV. You notice Kyle's own pit crew really wasn't coming to his aide? Absolutely everybody hates this guy.

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by bayou_bengals

First of all I guess I missed something. Did Clint Bowyer not win tonight? Second, I'm not trying to be personal, but you brought up the driving talent thing. Jr. is not the best ever. I realize that. But just because he hasn't won in two years doesn't make Busch miles better or whatever. And lastly, I don't see Jr. even running races in the other two series so how is that comment plausible? Seriously......why do people excuse this guy for his behavior?

Oh my bad, totally wasn't thinking there, got a little caught up in the debating.

Also, I don't think that Kyle Busch is the best driver ever either, I just think he's better than JR. is and when all is said and done, he'll have accomplished much more than Jr will. (Remember that's my opinion all)

ANd again, I'm just speaking of the amount of sucess Busch has been having lately in comparison to Jr. If Kyle chooses to run in all 3 series and is able to do so effectively then power to him, but I also respect Jr. for focusing mostly on his cup ride.

ANd I excuse his behavior because I think that he was racing Junior hard, and if it means bumping him out of the way then that's what he should do. Busch doesn't points race, he races hard every lap, and he does thinks on the track that most people wouldn't even think of trying, and I like that about him.

Also, I really like M&M's