[Quality88]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

OK,I will start with my team.The crap in all the threads about the Petty is just what I stated,CRAP!Does anyone that has a real clue about Nascar think for real the Petty team will die?What a joke this place has become.Although it does not suprise me.Given the poor knowledge of Nascar shown here by most but not all about Nascar or racing in general!

It is many persons opinion that things are bleak for Petty Racing. Things do not look good for the organization, and it is very possible(especially in today's NA$CAR) that they will go under unless something for the good changes and quick. Once again, criticizing. Anything else?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Respect!You call your post respect to a lady?ps. Just where did you and others wright to her?Come to VMI in Lexington,Va. Watch what happens to a cadet that does not show respect to any female.The CO will and does jack his ass up double quick,period!Been there to see it!

Not sure what the lack of respect for the lady is. "I" believe there is a lack of respect on her part for not respecting the flag and all it stands for. One of the many meanings of punk is "poor in quality" The quality of her respect is lacking for the flag and whgat it stands for.

Originally Posted by WestCoast

Mrs. Harvick is following protocol and showing NO disrespect. Some of you are confusing your "personal" views with the ones of your country.

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Saluting the Flag

To salute the flag, all persons come to attention. Those in uniform give the appropriate formal salute as specified by the uniform service. Citizens not in uniform salute by placing their right hand over their hearts. Men wearing a head cover (a hat, cap or other headwear) are to remove it. Women may wear a head covering.

Yes women in fact "may" wear a hat. It is generally accepted that this particular feeling came from the days when women dressed up in fancy hats and it would require a large effort to remove and replace said hat. This is a ball cap we are talking about. Easily removed, easily replaced. I'm sure I can find several sites that express that view just as many find the site that quotes the opposite. Point for me returns to respect. Note post below. Same opinion

Originally Posted by Quality88

Times have changed.... I could see it if she was dressed up... but she's not, she's wearin a ball cap just like a man. If my grandfather ( god rest is soul) said she's wearin a ball cap take it off, that speaks volumes to me.

You want to talk rights..... okay, how bout the hard fight that women have made to be treated the same as men? Are you now sayin that there are exclusions to that?

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

I am saying, a mans duty is to fight for and RESPECT his women and children.Come and tell my wife she needs to take her hat off with myself or anyother adult male family member of mine there and see what happens.

That is admirable and respected for your chivalry but no one should have to tell anyone to remove a hat. It should be done out of respect.

Originally Posted by Phils20

Is Mrs Harvick wearing a uniform. And does she put her hand over her heart???

I hadn't noticed, but if I'm sponsoring the team she owns, I'm telling her to get the damn hat off.

Any rule that has to be researched, you should be erring on the side of RESPECT.

I still stand at attention 17 years after getting out, in civilian clothes, when the anthem plays.

She can take the time to take the stinkin hat off.

Originally Posted by Quality88

Sorry, but any athlete/driver, pit reporter, owner (this includes Mrs. Harvick) is fair game on goteamsgo PB.

I'm with you Phil. I've been out for well over 35 years and I stand tall and proud .... without a hat. If you want to see the number of folks that agree ... just look at the crowd next time. How many women are wearing hats? Seems like the majority agree on the side of respect.

Yes she is fair game as noted by GTG rules.

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Weak,very weak to attack a woman!

Strange ... I see it as an attack on the honor of the flag and all who fought to defend it.

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

BS!That is all that happens here of late!

Specifics ?

[SpaceCadet]

Let me add a unique perspective here. My daughter was an EOD tech in the AF, served in Afghanistan, nearly lost her life. I asked her what she thought of this whole thing. She feels very strongly, and I won't quote her because her assessment of Mrs. Harvick was even more colorful than mine, that Mrs Harvick is wrong in not removing her hat. In boot camp, this discussion apparently came up, although it was not about Mrs. Harvick. The feeling of her instructors was that a baseball cap is not the kind of hat the "rules" were referring to when they said it was ok to leave a hat on if you're female. Those hats are the hats of yesteryear that were and still are worn to church, polo matches, horse races - you know, the big floppy "Gone With the Wind" look. Today's progressive thinking women who often wear baseball style caps should remove them. Technically, this may not be protocol, but in their eyes, as in the eyes of my daughter, it's a deliberate middle finger to our country. So that's the take of one female who has found herself in the stands many times with a cap on, which she does indeed remove. Incidentally, at Oswego Speedway the announcer says "ladies and gentlemen, please remove your hats for the singing our national anthem". On the last "NASCAR Confidential" I saw, it showed Mrs. Harvick during the anthem, talking to and kissing Mr. Harvick, although it was certainly not excessive, but no hand over her heart, cap firmly in place.

[bears9]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

OK,I will start with my team.The crap in all the threads about the Petty is just what I stated,CRAP!Does anyone that has a real clue about Nascar think for real the Petty,s team will die?What a joke this place has become.Although it does not suprise me.Given the poor knowledge of Nascar shown here by most but not all about Nascar or racing in general!

Ouch, that hurts a lot of peoples feelings more than what you said about Mark Cuban hurt his.

[PettyBlue]

Originally Posted by Quality88

It is many persons opinion that things are bleak for Petty Racing. Things do not look good for the organization, and it is very possible(especially in today's NA$CAR that they will go under unless something for the good changes and quick. Once again, criticizing. Anything else?

Oh Yea Q,I'll be back!Dinner time.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

Let me add a unique perspective here. My daughter was an EOD tech in the AF, served in Afghanistan, nearly lost her life. I asked her what she thought of this whole thing. She feels very strongly, and I won't quote her because her assessment of Mrs. Harvick was even more colorful than mine, that Mrs Harvick is wrong in not removing her hat. In boot camp, this discussion apparently came up, although it was not about Mrs. Harvick. The feeling of her instructors was that a baseball cap is not the kind of hat the "rules" were referring to when they said it was ok to leave a hat on if you're female. Those hats are the hats of yesteryear that were and still are worn to church, polo matches, horse races - you know, the big floppy "Gone With the Wind" look. Today's progressive thinking women who often wear baseball style caps should remove them. Technically, this may not be protocol, but in their eyes, as in the eyes of my daughter, it's a deliberate middle finger to our country. So that's the take of one female who has found herself in the stands many times with a cap on, which she does indeed remove. Incidentally, at Oswego Speedway the announcer says "ladies and gentlemen, please remove your hats for the singing our national anthem". On the last "NASCAR Confidential" I saw, it showed Mrs. Harvick during the anthem, talking to and kissing Mr. Harvick, although it was certainly not excessive, but no hand over her heart, cap firmly in place.

I believe if you listen carefully at the beginning of each race you'll hear the announcer say "Ladies & gentlemen ........please remove your hats for the playing of our national anthem." Granted it isn't an order but a request for respect. Tell your daughter thanks for her service !!!

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Oh Yea Q,I'll be back!Dinner time.

I'll be waitin with anticipation PB

[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Tell your daughter thanks for her service !!!

Thank you, LSC. All who have served have my utmost respect.

[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Respect!You call your post respect to a lady?ps. Just where did you and others wright to her?Come to VMI in Lexington,Va. Watch what happens to a cadet that does not show respect to any female.The CO will and does jack his ass up double quick,period!Been there to see it!

PB, I just came across this post or I would have responded sooner. I referenced in a previous post what my daughter felt about removing your hat if you're female. Once again, I must refer to her personal experience regarding respect for females, in her case military females, by other military (male) personel. The vast majority of our men in uniform are fine, upstanding gentlemen. But don't be idylic about it - not all are. The very incident which nearly cost her her life was due completely to a horrible lack of respect - an out an out attack on her, by a fellow US troop who did not feel women should be in the military, especially special forces. My point in all this? Your view of the "female respect" thing is admirable, but limited. Why? Simply, you are male. Try to keep things in perspective if you can. I know it's hard when one feels strongly. But not all soldiers are gentlemen, even at VMI (and I mean absolutely no disprepect to any of our military men and women in this post) not all are Petty fans, or even if we are, we are able to see that all is not happy in Whoville. It is honorable to defend the "weaker" sex, but we're not "weaker" anymore. We can kick some pretty decent butt ourselves these days. It's all about opinions here, and if you feel some of us have been "attack" mode, I sure hope it wasn't me. But if it was, I apologize.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Respect!You call your post respect to a lady?ps. Just where did you and others wright to her?Come to VMI in Lexington,Va. Watch what happens to a cadet that does not show respect to any female.The CO will and does jack his ass up double quick,period!Been there to see it!

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[bob101]

I don't know where some of you went to etiquitte school...

maybe you're used to women who wear freebie hats with the words CAT on it or something.

A woman is not required to take her hat off for the anthem, it's the same as woman are not required to take their hat off in church or other indoor social functions where it would be a social faux paus for a man to wear his.

It stems from the fact that a lot of ladies hats are attached to their hair and therefore don't really remove. I don't know if she was wearing her hair thru the back of her hat or not.

Some of you need to get a little more cultured and help break the NASCAR fan stereotype.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by bob101

I don't know where some of you went to etiquitte school...

maybe you're used to women who wear freebie hats with the words CAT on it or something.

A woman is not required to take her hat off for the anthem, it's the same as woman are not required to take their hat off in church or other indoor social functions where it would be a social faux paus for a man to wear his.

It stems from the fact that a lot of ladies hats are attached to their hair and therefore don't really remove. I don't know if she was wearing her hair thru the back of her hat or not.

Some of you need to get a little more cultured and help break the NASCAR fan stereotype.

WTH. What do you mean break the NA$CAR fan stereotype. This isn't a NA$CAR fan stereotype. I have attended baseball games were people were unhappy with women who didn't take their hats off durin the anthem. And we are talkin about a ballcap, not a dress hat that is attached to the head.

[Lefty Noob]

Seems like everyone's had a chance to express their views, although clearly not everyone agrees on the matter. Considering that it seems like emotions are getting out of hand, I think it's a good time to close this discussion down. Thanks to all who shared an opinion on this topic!