[azrael492]

I was wondering about the qualifying for this weeks race. Boris Said was winning the pole and was faster than anybody else by about 3 seconds. Qualifying was rained out and Nascar went to owner points if I understand correctly. Now Said does not even qualify for the race, and there were only 13 more cars to qualify. Why can Said not be in the race even though he had the best car in qualifying? You would think they would make an exception in his case.

[azrael492]

One more question.

Why did Nascar impound all the cars after qualifying was rained out. Are they trying to make sure another Gordon/Johnson incident doesn't happen?

[Pepsi One]

Originally Posted by azrael492

I was wondering about the qualifying for this weeks race. Boris Said was winning the pole and was faster than anybody else by about 3 seconds. Qualifying was rained out and Nascar went to owner points if I understand correctly. Now Said does not even qualify for the race, and there were only 13 more cars to qualify. Why can Said not be in the race even though he had the best car in qualifying? You would think they would make an exception in his case.

They sent Said home because thats the rule, Nascar is not in the buisness of making exceptions!

[Pepsi One]

Originally Posted by azrael492

One more question.

Why did Nascar impound all the cars after qualifying was rained out. Are they trying to make sure another Gordon/Johnson incident doesn't happen?

I assume this is an "impound race"....Nascar has several races where they impound the cars after qaualifying!

[LSC9901]

That is why the 7 that were on top in qualifying were going to more than likely create problems in the race. They were in qualifying trim and all the top 35 were in race trim. The non top 35 have to do whatever it takes to get in and then try to make the changes needed during pit stops.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

That is why the 7 that were on top in qualifying were going to more than likely create problems in the race. They were in qualifying trim and all the top 35 were in race trim. The non top 35 have to do whatever it takes to get in and then try to make the changes needed during pit stops.

that might have been a poor choice of words.

for the uninitiated, "qualifying trim" is when the car is setup to run by itself and is expected to run only a few laps. "race trim" on the other hand is when the car is setup to run with (in amongst) other cars and is expected to run as many laps as possible. on a restrictor plate track, there's significant difference in the setup for those 2 conditions .. less on a short track like Martinsville or Bristol.

it's not unusual for those with a guaranteed starting position (I call them the "Chosen") to skip qualifying trim on a restrictor plate track or for any race which is "impound" so that the car is race ready when it hits the track. those who aren't "Chosen" have to work to get into the race so have to use any advantage they may have for the 2 lap qualifying run.

as for the "cause problems" remark, it's not entirely false. usually the cars in qualifying trim don't handle as well around the other cars and so are prone to cause "incidents"....

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

that might have been a poor choice of words.

for the uninitiated, "qualifying trim" is when the car is setup to run by itself and is expected to run only a few laps. "race trim" on the other hand is when the car is setup to run with (in amongst) other cars and is expected to run as many laps as possible. on a restrictor plate track, there's significant difference in the setup for those 2 conditions .. less on a short track like Martinsville or Bristol.

it's not unusual for those with a guaranteed starting position (I call them the "Chosen") to skip qualifying trim on a restrictor plate track or for any race which is "impound" so that the car is race ready when it hits the track. those who aren't "Chosen" have to work to get into the race so have to use any advantage they may have for the 2 lap qualifying run.

as for the "cause problems" remark, it's not entirely false. usually the cars in qualifying trim don't handle as well around the other cars and so are prone to cause "incidents"....

Actually in an indirect way Jeff said that last night prior to his qualifying run. He didn't use those words but made you understand that he feared what could happen.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Actually in an indirect way Jeff said that last night prior to his qualifying run. He didn't use those words but made you understand that he feared what could happen.

and the solution is so obvious: eliminate the chosen. then if someone wants to take a chance on qualifying in a different trim than for racing, that's a choice they made but weren't forced into like the present system does.

[Pepsi One]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

and the solution is so obvious: eliminate the chosen. then if someone wants to take a chance on qualifying in a different trim than for racing, that's a choice they made but weren't forced into like the present system does.

Doesn't that mean everyone goes to qualifying trim, hence magnifying the problem!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Pepsi One

Doesn't that mean everyone goes to qualifying trim, hence magnifying the problem!

what problem?

that's what racin' is all about. you do what you think will help you the most .. for some teams that means trying to start up front, for others it means being able to be more in control from the start.

there's races all over the world every week that don't use the screwed up system NASCAR uses .. and they don't seem to have a problem...

[Pepsi One]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

what problem?

that's what racin' is all about. you do what you think will help you the most .. for some teams that means trying to start up front, for others it means being able to be more in control from the start.

there's races all over the world every week that don't use the screwed up system NASCAR uses .. and they don't seem to have a problem...

Maybe so, but no one watches those!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Pepsi One

Maybe so, but no one watches those!

that you know of...

OK. we're off the topic of this thread. unless there's a technical question to be asked and answered in reference to NASCAR, we're done on this thread with popularity and the chase.

[LSC9901]

Good job Ducky. Way easy to get off topic and this is a good thread to stay strictly on topic.

Thanks.

[azrael492]

Thanks for the answers guys. I just have a follow up question. What is the difference in "race trim" and "qualifying trim". Is it a difference that is noticable on the car, or is it just in the handling.

I apologize if I am asking stupid questions, but I just started watching last year. I am trying to learn as much as possible.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by azrael492

Thanks for the answers guys. I just have a follow up question. What is the difference in "race trim" and "qualifying trim". Is it a difference that is noticable on the car, or is it just in the handling.

I apologize if I am asking stupid questions, but I just started watching last year. I am trying to learn as much as possible.

Once again I'll give you a quick answer and let the real experts jump in with the detailed report. For the most part the differences are not noticeable. One area you can see it is tape on the grill area. More tape allows for more downforce which allows for more speed but at the same time it gets the engine hot. Because it is only a 2 lap run they can afford to let it heat up. Obviously long runs would cook the engine.

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